“Muhammad was a pedophile..”

When I heard this ‘statement’ for the first time, I was rather perplexed and annoyed. The next time I heard it, I was sad and frustrated that somebody is talking very rudely, questioning my faith. When I started reading on the matter, I knew this was a ‘new accuse’ to none, but myself .Now that I am convinced of ‘what is it and how is it, I don’t get ’emotional’ whenever I hear this. To be honest, now I am sick and bored of answering this question/accuse and hence when such a similar stuff came in as a comment to another post, I didn’t bother to answer it as I felt the ‘asker’ was not ‘questioning’, but rather bashing. But since my father insisted on explaining it to those who are interested in reading with an open mind, I am here, telling you what do I think and believe about the above ‘statement’.

 

Modern world is not interested in referring to history and context. I wonder why people insist on quoting history back to 132CE and 636 CE, when it comes to matters of Israel-Palastein, while the same people are irritated and annoyed when I quote history back to just 1400 years ago. Those with double standards please don’t read below.

 

Judging yesterday by today’s moral standards is a waste of time. Morality is relative not absolute, it varies from culture to culture and society to society. What is perceived to be moral in USA may not hold to be true in other parts of the world, such as Africa and Asia. Morality is also relative to time, fornication/dating little time ago was regarded as taboo and a matter of shame for the family. However, now this is a common habit, dating could start as early as at the age of 14. Another example would be dress code, which was very modest in history but not so now,which again makes modesty a relative term.

 

 

The criticism of Muhammad’s marriage to Aisha is something relatively new in that it grew up out of the values of “Post Enlightenment” Europe. Certainly, those from a Middle Eastern Semitic background would not have found anything to criticize, since nothing abnormal or immoral took place.  It was European Christians who began to criticize Muhammad on this point, not ones who were in touch with their Semitic roots. I wonder why the people of Quraish and other Arabian tribes at Prophet’s time found absolutely no fault in the marriage. On the contrary it is evident from countless narrations that the marriage was successful. They detested Islam; they did everything to belittle the Prophet, tried to prevent Islam from spreading and even attempted to kill the Prophet! However, they raised no objection to the marriage of the Prophet to Aisha since at those times such a thing was not considered ‘immoral’.

 

 

It is upon reaching the age of puberty that a person, man or woman, becomes legally responsible under Islamic Law.  At this point, they are allowed to make their own decisions and are held accountable for their actions.  It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry.  The evidence shows that Aisha’s marriage to the Prophet Muhammad was one which both parties and their families agreed upon.The marriage also strengthened the relationship between Abu Bakr and Prophet Muhammed. In addition, Aisha (RA) was exceedingly intelligent and had a formidable memory. She had profound knowledge of Quran and Sunnah.She narrated over 2,000 hadith (at least 2,210).

 

 

Girls were not given in Marriage until after menstruation. And It was also common among all peoples of that era to marry young girls. It should be noted that the Prophet Muhammed first married a widow woman who was much older than him. And he didn’t take another wife until after her death. There seems to be a lot of propaganda concerning the marital status of the Prophet Mohamed and his wives. Don’t you people remember King Solomon and his Hundreds of wives and So called concubines? There were no Limits on how many women men would take. Only when Islam came did Allah send down a commandment limiting wives to 4 and only if you could be fair with them.

 

 

Hear it from a Christian friend of mine:

 

 “In the present standard he was a pervert. But during his time and in his society he was comparatively a good person, because people were not sparing even their own mother, mother’s sisters, own grown up sisters and other family members. The Prophet had to prevent them from such uncontrolled sexual perversion like animals by introducing provisions into Koran whom to marry and whom not to marry. He had to bring their own tribe to a decent human level with a code of conduct as if it were told by Allah to him.The whole thing has to be seen in its proper context, then only we can properly appreciate”

 

 

 

Overcoming cultural bias or admitting your own double standards is not always easy.  For some people, it takes years for them to admit that they’ve been hypocritical. 

 

 

 

P.S

  • Centuries ago,number of wives were uncountable.Later,it decreased to a countable size.Now it is one(supposedly)..Not too long will it be when your grandkids ask you,”Marriage,what the heck is that.There isn’t a need for getting married”:)
  • We had better taken concern about our morals standards,especially when it comes to that of West,than worrying about what happened 1400 yrs ago.
  • An interesting fact,Lina Medina gave birth at the age of 5 years, 7 months and 21 days. Encyclopaedia Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina ) says:

    “Lina Medina (born September 27, 1933 in Paurange, Peru) gave birth at the age of 5 years, 7 months and 21 days and is the youngest confirmed mother in medical

     

     

 

http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm

 

http://www.muslim-answers.org/Polemics-Rebuttals/aishah.htm

 

http://www.guidedones.com/metapage/frq/Aisha.htm

 

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    • Arjun
    • August 22nd, 2008

    I absolutely agree with this comment,


    Judging yesterday by today’s moral standards is a waste of time. Morality is relative not absolute, it varies from culture to culture and society to society.

    Also I would like to reverse it….
    “Judging(Living) today by yesterday moral standards is a waste of time.”

    Unfortunately, I feel in some parts of your other blogs you are doing that… :-). Moral standards have to changed in course of time even though its tough to alter ur belief…

    • Nimmy
    • August 22nd, 2008

    Arjun,I understand the message you are conveying.But as I told in my reply to your comment on polygamy,I must say that,it is not a matter of beliefs,rather a matter of understanding what is before us and foreseeing what may happen after us..I hate polygamy and i belive that most of the women involved in it are facing injustice.They are being taken granded because of their economic helplesness.But if the people involved in it are fine with it,who are we to talk against it.

    Being in a relationship,polygamy or whatever,is better than being mistress or like.Just make sure that they don’t interfere with our business and that there isn’t injustice involved.As of today,I can tell you that 99% of polygamy is based on lust or physical desires and not any “suppot/help”.I agree that we may ban it.Then again,we can’t say that the whole concept of polygamy is wrong,as the situation(war like)may happen tomorrow too..

    I think i just messed up with words.Sorry:)

    Again,thank you for your valuable response.Not many care to share comments or opinions.Keep visiting to read my rants:)

  1. “Only when Islam came did Allah send down a commandment limiting wives to 4 and only if you could be fair with them.”

    I didn’t understand that. Allah send down a commandment? Through Mohammad?

    • Nimmy
    • August 23rd, 2008

    @Roop Rai,Yes,Allah has sent down guidelines related to marriage.

    I tries to list down verses here,but it ended up too long and unreadable.So I’ll have another post regarding it..ok!

    Good day..Do visit again:)

    Edit:

    Roop Rai,the blog you reffered is pretty lame,just bunch of ‘fuck’ ‘fucking’,’bullshit’ :)Also,the owner isn’t approving any of my comments refuting with all proofs..So,i guess its just a ‘one man show’ 🙂 I respect atheists who discuss,but not ones like these..I have lot of atheists friends,but this is not my cup of tea..Anyways,thanks for telling..I’ll visit that blog whenever I am bored..

    • Rashi
    • August 25th, 2008

    It looks like you had a thorough study about religion and other behavior. But I have a small doubt that is,

    “Nerittu parichayamillatha oraalude, neritto swapnathil polumo kandittillatha ummanekurichu parayunathu shariyo thetto?”

    • Nimmy
    • August 25th, 2008

    Hey hey rashi,i was talking about my ummamma ..Sheesh,am i that country to call names????

    God promise,i was telling “ente ummamma undakkiya food-inte photo..Believe me if you can..

    • Rashi
    • August 25th, 2008

    Dont take it seriously… i was kidding.. Actually i didnt hear what did u say and even if u say like that i wouldnt feel any(May be not).

    • Nimmy
    • August 25th, 2008

    🙂 thanks..do read all posts and post comments.

    • Milind Kher
    • August 25th, 2008

    There were a lot of political and humanitarian considerations that regulated the marriages of the Holy Prophet (SAWA). Marital intimacy was incidental and not central to, these marriages.

    Many people are simply not aware of the circumstances in which these marriagesd took place. Hence, there is no need to get disturbed by their comments.

    • Nimmy
    • August 25th, 2008

    @Milind,true..But I don’t think close minded people will ever stop ranting..

  2. This is a reply to you mr roop… Allah allows you to marry four only if u treat them all alike, no favouritism to anyone…which is very difficult to do…thats why ppl avoid marrying more than 1.
    Regards

  3. Fair enough, nimmy. I don’t know whether that blog is correct or not. Either way, god is something I am not interested in. Another question, do you believe there is any god other than Allah? or Allah is the ultimate being? being a sikh that i am born as, do you believe that your allah and my vaheguru are different or are they the same but with different names? if they are the same, did they both send commandments relating to marriage? then how are they different for you and different for me?

    not accusing or being judgmental … just asking questions 🙂

    • Nimmy
    • August 26th, 2008

    @Roop Rai,Thank you for visiting again and for the comment:)

    I believe that we all are believeing in one ultimate God,but that we have different paths..when you follow an organized religion,we follow the stipulated rules..The other option is to become an agnostic:)

    Rules for all organized religions are different,not only for marriage,but also for way of worship,fasitng and the rest..I think it will be in vain to have a comparison.

  4. But if allah and vaheguru are the same – one and the same thing/person-, then why the different rules?

  5. I mean, as a parent, one wouldn’t treat his/her children differently. Every child would be treated exactly the same with the same rules. Then why does Allah, who can also be called Vaheguru, God, Bhagwaan in other languages, do that? Why different rules for his/her/its children?

    • Dawn
    • August 30th, 2008

    Salam sister,

    please put the title/heading of this article between double quotes, wallahi it annoys me reading it as i feel it is your own thought,,

    may Allah bless you sister

  6. This can be a long debate. Let me first clarify that I and Muhammad K. belong to the “Quran Alone” Muslims. We are also known as:

    1- Qurani’s
    2- Pervaizis
    3- Submitters
    4- Progressive Muslims etc.

    Our PRIME fundamental is:

    “God Alone, Quran Alone”

    So you must look at our answer as a perspective of our Quranis or Submitters. We do NOT acknowledge Hadith and Sunnat as a source of ANY credibility at all. Or should I say, that we consider it no more than Junk.

    Here is our perspective:

    In any case, Muslims do not have ANY credible history of Prophet Mohammad. The history that is promoted as the history of prophet Mohd. is based on verbal hearsays that were collected +200 years after his death. It is just like as some one tries to write the history of some person in the year 1750, based on what one hears from people and ALL the people who say, do not have ANY written record about him.

    Just how credible it can be ? I think it does not need any elaboration.

    We are 100% sure and accurate about the Quran as it was written in the days of prophet Mohammad and by prophet Mohammad. And even the people who came after him, did struggle both on individual as well as cumulative and national level to publish the Quran. Plus we have solid evidence to it as well.

    Now the Quran tells us that, for marriage, the couples MUST be able to handle the financial transactions and contracts. This is represented in the Quran by the definition of “Puberty”. In Quranic terminology the “Puberty” is defined the age when one is able to hand financial transactions, property and contracts. Ref. 4:6

    In the Quran, Marriage is NOT something that a man and woman just say “Yes” to each other in the presence of witnesses. It as A MUST, involves a financial agreement in the form of “Dowry” which has to be paid by the man to his wife. I hope you would agree that even a 15-16 year old is NOT mature enough to handle such financial matters, not to say a 6 or 9 year old girl.

    The prophet Mohammad could NOT deviate from the Quran. And therefore it was an UTTER impossibility that he would marry an IMMATURE girl of 9 years old.

    Going further, the OLDEST biography of the prophet were written in somewhere around 120 years after his death. Though these biographies stand rejected, but one of these biographies state that “Ayesha” was the sister of Abu-Bakar and a widow of 40 years of age, at the time of marriage to prophet Mohammad. This is in high contrast to the widely accepted sunni point of view who base their postulate on biographies that were written +250 years later to the death of prophet Mohammad.

    Another point to note is that in surah 33, we find the following:

    1- Prophet Mohammad did not have any male children. Ref. 33:40.
    2- Prophet Mohammad considered Zaid as equivalent to his son.
    3- It was predestined that Zaid was having a rough time with his wife and ultimately divorced her.
    4- Prophet Mohammad was foretold that God had to make him marry the divorced wife of his verbally declared son.
    5- Prophet Mohammad was very disturbed by the idea of marrying the divorced wife of his verbally declared son (Zaid). As a result he called him up and did his best to convince and order Zaid, NOT to divorce his wife. BECAUSE:

    6- It was a highly abnormal thing in the society of those times. But God wanted to tell the people that verbal relations have no legal value.

    However, the point to note is that, the prophet was disturbed and reluctant to marry the divorced wife of his verbal son. How come the same prophet did not feel any hesitation to marry an immature (6-year or 9 -year) daughter of his friend Abu-bakar.

    This is something that is beyond my ability to digest. How come the society considered it a sinful act to marry the divorcee of a verbal son, but did not consider bad, consummating the marriage with a minor of 9-year old. Beats me !!!!

    Consequently, I am NOT at ALL convinced with such a postulate.

    TO me it is easy as I REJECT EACH AND EVERY HADITH. I consider Hadith as a CRAP. It is NOT even worth the paper it is written on.

    For you, I guess I have provided enough food for thought.

    As for Hadith followers, they can accept such crap for the prophet, but cannot reject Hadith.

    What a misery and what a curse !!

    Surely, they will have to answer a lot on the day of Judgment.

    • Bobby
    • August 30th, 2008

    I totally disagree with you. There are some things which are known at eternal truths. If Mohammed was a prophet (messenger from God), his words and teachings would have eternal truth just as is found in the teaching of Jesus Christ.

    Teachings/actions which wither away with the passage of time are not from God. God is eternal and so are His teachings and messages.

    I have plenty of other material but would not like to place it here as I do not want to insult the beliefs of others. This message is just for the denial of your article.

    • Nimmy
    • August 30th, 2008

    @Roop Rai,give me some time to answer you qstn,as i don’t want to answer in haste and sound dumb:)

    @Dawn,done brother:)

    @Shah,that you so much for a different view..I never knew that..thanks a lot..

    @Bobby,”Teachings/actions which wither away with the passage of time are not from God.”..I totally agree..And I think if I went wrong,the comment above yours,shah’s,answers your doubt..I hope to bring more about it..

    Thank you all for sharing your views..

    • Dawn
    • August 30th, 2008

    thank you sister, i appreciate it 🙂

    • Seilbi
    • August 30th, 2008

    Great job, you enough time to answer all.

  7. I’ll wait. 🙂

    • Milind Kher
    • August 31st, 2008

    It is true that, in a manner of speaking, the Quran is the only mutawatir hadith. I say “in a manner of speaking” because literalists would be quick to point out that the Quran and hadith are different.

    True, wherever the Quran has a ruling, the ruling of the Quran ALONE should be followed, which means that adulterers are to be whipped and not stoned, and other such legislations. There is no doubt that there are many ahadith that have nonsense like the hadith of the fly etc.

    HOWEVER, hadith expound to us details of some things that the Quran only refers to. Therefore, ahadith with a sound chain of narrators (isnad) with a sound substance (matn) are also important.

    • darko
    • September 1st, 2008

    yeah.. but if morality is temporal, why bother with the rest of the outdated stuff?

    • Nimmy
    • September 1st, 2008

    @darko,”rest of the outdated stuff?”..like what?

  8. still waiting … :))

    • Nimmy
    • September 9th, 2008

    @Roop,lol..Im sorry,but i lost focus from ‘islamic thoughts’ to random world around thoughts:-) Trust me,the post intended is half written..I just thought of making it a well written one(as far i can do it fairly from my part) instead of putting up one for a name sake..Sorry dear..Really sorry..Will have it posted soon..Its not that i forgot..But that priorities got changed..Even now i am scratching my head on choosing what to post..so many hot n sweet topics these days..lol..Thank you so much for coming again..and pls contribute to my other posts too…

  9. Milind & Shah:

    It is true that, in a manner of speaking, the Quran is the only mutawatir hadith. I say “in a manner of speaking” because literalists would be quick to point out that the Quran and hadith are different.

    Why are they different? Why should one be treated as valid and others not?

    • Nimmy
    • September 10th, 2008

    @Watercat,Welcome:)

    If you are reffering to validity of quran and hadiths,rule is that Quran is unaltered while hadiths are just narrations..They are helpful in understanding how Muhammed lives or made decisions on various matters.But they are not ultimate rules,also hadith can’t override rules in Quran..Fabricated hadiths are there and hence when you find a contradiction,follow the one which Quran prescribes..

    Do visit again..Good day

  10. Nimmy;
    Thank you. I knew about the rule you mention, but from what Milind says above, not everyone applies it? At least it sounds like there is a large difference between Shah’s and Milind’s views.

    My question isn’t on validity so much as history: A couple hundred years after Mohammed’s death, when people divided all their notes into two groups, calling one Hadith and one Koran, on what basis did they decide which notes went in which pile?

    • Milind Kher
    • September 12th, 2008

    @Watercat,

    The Quran is the revealed Word of God, whereas a hadith is a saying of the prophet.

    When the Quranic verses were collected, every verse had to be testified to by TWO people.

    There was one verse which had only 1 person to testify, but was accepted because the testimony was given by none other than Khuzaima bin Thabit , called by the Holy Prophet (SAWA) as Dhul Shahadatain (he whose testimony is equal to two testimonies).

    The ahadith (plural of hadith) were compiled much later, hence a long chain of narrators was involved. This made them vulnerable to error. However, rejecting all ahadith because some of them are wrong would be like throwing out the baby with the bath water

  11. So…
    it’s a Hadith if Khuzaima said that he remembered that Mohammed said it,
    …or…
    it’s a Surah if Khuzaima said he remembered that Mohammed said that god said it.

    Right?

    • Nimmy
    • September 12th, 2008

    Watercat,you raise an intersting qstn..

    Let me contribute my part to the discussion..

    Quran was sent over a span of 23 yrs and every Ramadan,angel Gibreal would recite/verify all what was revealed till then as to make sure nothing went wrong..The Prophet would then recite these verses to his comapanions,who would memorize it and also,write them down..Pls read more on this..

    Prophet made special arrangements to have it written down. When Prophet used to receive a revelation, he dictated it to a Companion, who wrote it down on anything that was available: bark, stone, bones, leaves, etc. The companion then read, what he had written, to the Prophet. If there were any mistakes, Prophet would correct it and then let it be brought before everyone. Prophet also told the order of the verses, etc, and they were written accordingly.

    After Prophet died in 633 CE, Abu Bakr, became the Khalifah (caliph). The need of the compilation of the whole Qur’an in the form of a Book was seen. In the battle of Yamamah and other battles, many huffaz were martyred. Umar, noticed this and went to the Khalifah, and told him about this matter. At first Abu Bakr, , hesitated in doing something that the Prophet hadn’t done but then, seeing the importance of this, he agreed.

    The compilation of the Qur’an started, with Zayd bin Thabit, in charge. Lots of companions, including himself had memorized the whole Qur’an and so the Qur’an could have easily been written down from memory. There were also complete collections of the verses of the Holy Qur’an available with many companions. But a Zayd bin Thabit, knew he had to be careful. He used both methods by collecting verses that were written during the time of Prophet and also using memory. He followed four steps.

    1)First he verified the verse with his own memory.

    2)Umar, who was a Hafiz, was also in charge of the project and he verified it, too.

    3)Then, before the verse could be accepted, the two reliable witnesses had to testify that it was written in the presence of Prophet.

    4)After that, written verses were collated with the collections of different Companions.

    The purpose of this method was so that the utmost care be taken in the transcription of the Qur’an, and rather then rely on memory, it should be transcribed from verses that were written in the presence of the Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam.

    Read more http://www.albalagh.net/kids/history/quran_compilation.shtml

    I don’t know what is there to be confused…

    • Another Kafir
    • September 13th, 2008

    Quran : clear
    Hadith : unclear

  12. “Asssalam-0-Alikum”
    “Peace Be Upon You”

    Lets start at the beginning,
    Muslims love Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) more than anything they love,even themselves,
    Ayesha(r.a) is the Mother Of The Believers(Quran 33:6)

    How would someone feel if i abuse his/her mother,
    the one who uses this word “Pedophile” against our Prophet is only revealing his family background and what he/she has been taught by his/her mother…..

    Now some may object to this by saying how could the Prophet marry Aisha at such a young age. One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, rather they were considered young women back then. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago.

    Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history.

    Furthermore as to the prophets Marriage with Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage.

    It is quite hypocritical of Jews & Christians to object to this marriage,

    “Marrying off one’s daughter as soon after she reaches adulthood as possible, even to one’s Slave. (From the Talmud, Pesachim 113a)”

    Joseph was married to Mary when she was 12 years old

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

    Even in our times in certain parts of the world the age of marriage is still relatively low. According to a chart on (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent#Ages_of_consent_in_various_countries )

    • Nimmy
    • September 17th, 2008

    Thanks D@!Z..Welcome:) Hope you stay here and answer lot more queries..Salam

    • NInja
    • September 17th, 2008

    D@!Z 🙂 super May Allah (swt) bless you (ameen)

    • Insha Marri
    • March 12th, 2009

    Is there any reality that Muhammad (PBUH) married with Ayesha when she was just 6 years old and consume it when she was still under 10? Critics of Islam present many Hadiths from the collection of ‘Bukhari’ and ‘Muslim’ in favor of their malicious claims. In opposing and contradicting, there are many other sources in written history of Islam, Arabia and collection of Hadiths that Ayesha (RA) was well mature, versed and much older than the age mentioned in controversial Hadiths. Here are some of evidences:

    1. According to Ibn Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s (d. 768) biography of Prophet Muhammad, the Sirat Rashul Allah, the earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, Aisha accepted Islam before Umar ibn al-Khattab. If true, then Aisha accepted Islam during the first few years of Islam. She could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH – the time she got married. Sira, Ibn Hisham, Vol. 1, Pg. 227

    2. Tabari reports that when Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Ethiopia (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am – with whose son Aisha was engaged at that time – and asked him to take Aisha as his son’s wife. Mut`am refused because Abu Bakr had converted to Islam. If Aisha was only six years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Ethiopia. Tehqiq e umar e Siddiqah e Ka’inat, Habib ur Rahman Kandhalwi, Pg 38

    3. Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the Jahiliyyah – the pre Islamic period. If Aisha was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH. Tarikh al-umam wa al-mamloo’k, Al-Tabari, Vol. 4, Pg. 50

    4. According to Ibn Hajar, Fatima was five years older than Aisha. Fatima is reported to have been born when Muhammad was 35 years old. Muhammad migrated to Medina when he was 52, making Aisha 14 years old in 1 AH. Tamyeez al-Sahaabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalaniy, Vol. 4, Pg. 377

    The collections of Hadiths are secondary sources of information and guidance for Muslim after the glorious Holy Quran. The Sahih ‘Muslim’ and ‘Bukhari’ books written 200-300 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), though seeking to provide a good deal of historical information about him, are not free from less than perfect and self-contradictory materials. These should not be taken as the final word for a Muslim. There is a Final Word for a Muslim and that is the Book of God, the Holy Qur’an—the book that defines the marriageable age for a man or woman when he or she attains soundness of judgment (Al-Qur’an 4:6). If the exalted prophet of Islam is a model for all-time mankind, if he followed the Qur’an all his life, if Allah stands witness to his rock-solid moral character, there is no way that he could have taken a 6-9 year old, immature young, playful girl as a responsible wife.

    The whole of Ayesha’s early marriage with Muhammad (PBUH) is based in large parts on the propaganda launched by Arab historians who want to justify their own pedophilic proclivities by announcing from rooftops even today that the Prophet married a girl of six and consummated his marriage when she was nine. The following article is enough to convince any non-Muslim and indeed any Muslim that this is what the Prophet did. Please refer to the following link:

    http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=817

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    Hi,welcome 🙂 Thanks for the information Insha..Do come again -Nimmy

    • Insha Marri
    • March 17th, 2009

    In my opinion, the age of Ayesha has been grossly misreported in the narratives of the incident. Not only that, I think that the narratives reporting this event are not only highly unreliable but also that on the basis of other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely happening. Let us look at the issue from an objective stand point. My reservations in accepting the narratives, on the basis of which, Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage with the Prophet (pbuh) is held to be nine years are:

    1. Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.

    2. It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy-one years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have shifted after living in Medinah for seventy-one years.

    3. Tehzeeb al-Tehzeeb, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh) reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”. It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham, which were reported through people of Iraq (Vol. 11, pg. 48 – 51).

    4. Meezaan al-Ai`tidaal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly (Vol. 4, pg. 301 – 302).

    5. According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha was born about eight years before Hijrah. However, according to another narrative in Bukhari (Kitaab al-Tafseer) Ayesha is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur’an , was revealed, “I was a young girl”. The 54th Surah of the Qur’an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Ayesha had not only been born before the revelation of the referred Surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not even only an infant (sibyah) at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn `urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah, why should we not accept this narrative to be more accurate.

    6. According to a number of narratives, Ayesha accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Ayesha’s participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicates that she was not nine or ten years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to the battlefields to help them, not to be a burden upon them.

    7. According to almost all the historians Asma, the elder sister of Ayesha was ten years older than Ayesha. It is reported in Taqreeb al-Tehzeeb as well as Al-Bidayah wa al-Nihayah that Asma died in the 73rd year after hijrah[2] when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma was 100 years old in the 73rd year after hijrah, she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus if Ayesha got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH then she was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

    8. Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the Jahiliyyah – the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if Ayesha was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH – the time she most likely got married.

    9. According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Ayesha accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab. This shows that Ayesha accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Ayesha’s marriage at seven years of age is held to be true, Ayesha should not even have been born during the first year of Islam.

    10. Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am – with whose son Ayesha was engaged at that time – and asked him to take Ayesha in his house as his son’s wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam. Subsequently, his son divorced Ayesha. Now, if Ayesha was only seven years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Ayesha had not only been born 8 years before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage.

    11. According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of Khadijah , when Khaulah came to the Prophet (pbuh) advising him to marry again, the Prophet (pbuh) asked her regarding the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet (pbuh) asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Ayesha’s name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware that the word “bikr” in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine-year old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier is “Jariyah”. “Bikr” on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a nine year old is not a “lady”.

    12. According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah was five years older than Ayesha. Fatimah is reported to have been born when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.

    These are some of the major points that go against accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage.

    In my opinion, neither was it an Arab tradition to give away girls in marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did the Prophet (pbuh) marry Ayesha at such a young age. The people of Arabia did not object to this marriage, because it never happened in the manner it has been narrated.

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    wow..thatz a comprehensive one..Thanks a ton,I never knew all this. Will try to collect more info on this..Thanks a lot for sharing this with me and readers.. Salam 🙂 -Nimmy

    • nik
    • March 18th, 2009
      • Nimmy
      • March 18th, 2009

      🙂 Nik,a small question -Are you interested in learning or in proving me wrong? It seems that you are hell bent over imposing the age of nine .As I told,I don’t know which is correct,but I have provided my maximum level to present to both sides of the argument.Also,many readers have put it lot information.Tell me what is it that doesn’t convince you to have a open mind between the 9 and 18 yrs of age. Why do I feel that you are adamant over me accepting that Aysha was 9 yrs old. How do you know for sure? This discussion tells me that your intention is not to understand,but something else.

      I don’t impose my faith or opinion or views on others and I expect the same.If your intention is to engage in a visious cycle of throwing mud at each other,you are free to participate in those forums of that type..There are many muslims out there who will be interested,but I am not. Also,I am not Zakir Naik or Ali Sina and hence not interested in brainwashing others. I have tried not to copy paste random web articles to prove my point and i expect the same from others too..I have been unbiased to my level and I have presented you almost all aspects of the matter and now I don’t have anything more to say,unless any reader comes up with something different.

      Insha Marri has provided lot of information. My conclusion on this is that the issue of 9yr old is fabricated ,maybe my enemies of Islam,maybe by horny Mullahs.. You are free to form you own conclusion..

      Good day

        • nik
        • March 18th, 2009

        Please read the whole response.

        Are you interested in learning or in proving me wrong?
        I am interested in learning the truth. I have also come across the phrase “questioning to learn” in your posts. Please explain what does it mean.

        “It seems that you are hell bent over imposing the age of nine .As I told,I don’t know which is correct,but I have provided my maximum level to present to both sides of the argument.Also,many readers have put it lot information”
        As I have said above I am only interested in knowing the truth. I am not “hell bent on imposing the age of nine”. The preponderance of evidence tells the age was nine. There cannot be two sides to the truth.

        “Tell me what is it that doesn’t convince you to have a open mind between the 9 and 18 yrs of age. Why do I feel that you are adamant over me accepting that Aysha was 9 yrs old. “
        I have a open mind. If there is evidence to suggest that the age was 18 I will accept it. But so far you have not presented any credible evidence. The evidence presented by you in the earlier post contradicts itself. Same is the case in the evidences provided by Insha. I would also like to ask are you open minded to accept the age as 9 as it is widely accepted (even by Muslims) ?

        “How do you know for sure? This discussion tells me that your intention is not to understand,but something else. “
        I am fairly certain because each and every major hadith and biography has explicitly mentioned the ages. Can truth be understood? My only intention is to know the truth.

        “I don’t impose my faith or opinion or views on others and I expect the same.If your intention is to engage in a visious cycle of throwing mud at each other”
        Have I imposed any opinion? Did I start this post? I have only responded to this post. I have no intention of throwing mud. I only want to know the truth. And even if the truth is bitter we have to accept it. We cannot deny it.

        “I have tried not to copy paste random web articles to prove my point and i expect the same from others too..I have been unbiased to my level and I have presented you almost all aspects of the matter and now I don’t have anything more to say,unless any reader comes up with something different.”
        Some of your posts are copy-pastes. You yourself have provided the links to the original articles. I do not like to copy paste either. The above information provided by Insha is a copy-paste. Hence I have just provided the links. Have you read those links?

        “Insha Marri has provided lot of information. My conclusion on this is that the issue of 9yr old is fabricated ,maybe my enemies of Islam,maybe by horny Mullahs.. You are free to form you own conclusion”
        Insha has provided some information. But unfortunately it is not credible. Have you analyzed it yourself? The information is self contradictory. I would like to ask you why do you think age of 9 is fabricated in spite of the overwhelming evidence in support of it? You are free to form any conclusion. But are you being objective?

        I would like you to respond to this as well as other discussions already initiated. If you do not wish to please indicate it.

        • // I would also like to ask are you open minded to accept the age as 9 as it is widely accepted (even by Muslims) ?

          What is this current post all about? I think you didn’t read it..If I hadn’t had the open mind to accept that she was 9 ys old,i would not have wasted my time on the main post..

          //But unfortunately it is not credible.

          Why is it that the info on 18 yrs old is not credible?Provide proof..

          / I would like to ask you why do you think age of 9 is fabricated in spite of the overwhelming evidence in support of it?The preponderance of evidence tells the age was nine. There cannot be two sides to the truth.

          “overwhelming evidence’..lol,apart from the hadiths,what is the overwhelming evidence you have?

          Ok,with this, I have nothing more to say ,sorry-you may take it as my ignorace or me getting bored of this 🙂

          To me,the 9r old stuff is fabricated bcoz Quran sets up three rational criteria for marriage :
          1 – Sufficient maturity to grant consent. (4:21)
          2 – Ability to sign a legal contract. (4:19)
          3 – Competence to take care of one’s own finances. (4:21)

          And as a believer I believe that Prophet was obliged to follow the Quran and not to override it and be more smart,like some today

            • nik
            • March 18th, 2009

            “What is this current post all about? I think you didn’t read it..If I hadn’t had the open mind to accept that she was 9 ys old,i would not have wasted my time on the main post.”
            I have read the post. But the impression that I get by the “question to learn” attitude is after questioning any aspect of Islam you have accept the standard answer provided even if it is devoid of any reason.

            “Why is it that the info on 18 yrs old is not credible?Provide proof..”
            Have you read the links I have provided? Each one logically rebuts the information giving references.

            “overwhelming evidence’..lol,apart from the hadiths,what is the overwhelming evidence you have?”
            Hadiths are the only historical evidences of early Islam period. If you debunk the hadiths how can you prove the existence of the Prophet Muhammad? If you want I can give the verses from each major hadith and biography which attests the age.

            So primarily you believe age being 9 is false because the Prophet was obliged to always follow the Quran. Hence I ask you again why did the Prophet have more than 4 wives when the Quran allows maximum of 4 wives. Did the Prophet follow the Quran in this aspect?

            I had asked you this earlier as well and so far you have not responded to it.

    • nik
    • March 18th, 2009
    • cool
    • April 5th, 2009

    The kamasutra ,which is a world renowned sex manual of the hindus talks about courting and sex with 8 yr old girls.She is called “bala”.It was the preferred norm to marry a pre-pubescent girl to three times her age man.check it yourself.
    If a girl is not married before puberty her father and brothers are cursed and so were their previous generations.Other hindu texts also confirm this.Child marriage was practised by all communities in India even till the 19th century.
    Since the arabs were polythist this practise was common,and it was continued even after Islam came.It is also confirmed that Ayesha was already engaged to another person ,n later it was fixed with the Prophet.If it was paedophilia,then why will her parents engage her to someone else.
    If such marriages were so hated,the scholars must have changed the history ,but they did;nt.But like ppl have quoted above there is still diff of opinions regarding the hadiths.
    By the way even the jewish Talmud talks of marriage and sex with 3yr old,Mary(as) gave birth to Jesus(pbuh)when she was 12,
    chinese texts also shows of child marriage,so do hindu religious texts and other ancient religions.
    People who slander the Prophet ,can continue to do so and show they are pea brain but the Truth of Islam will always stand out from falsehood.

    • fayaz
    • August 14th, 2012

    i am not good in this and i don have much info about this but i think im having suffitient information to answe tthis
    “o primarily you believe age being 9 is false because the Prophet was obliged to always follow the Quran. Hence I ask you again why did the Prophet have more than 4 wives when the Quran allows maximum of 4 wives. Did the Prophet follow the Quran in this aspect?”

    so according to what i have studied and read prophet muhammed (savs) din marry any of the 40 wives just like that all the other wives where mainly widows , victims of war and the family who couldn marry a girl . he was not into making family with all the 40 he jsut gave them life to live aand a family for support . this is what i know . if the info is wrong pls correct me .

    and im kinda late i guess 😀

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