Am I,as a muslim,responsible for the acts of others muslims who interpret Quran wrongly & move around with bombs?
Hell No,how can I be responsible for somebody else’s actions..I would be responsible if it was somebody from my immediate community,as love,hatred and like virutes are nurtured within closely knit circles..Apart from that,how am I as an individual responsible for some fanatic’s acts somewhere 2897897 miles away????
Relating it to ‘common’ religion is lame..Almost everybody knows that it is not the religion in itself,but so many underlying factors,of course accompanied with brainwashing..Islam has been here since 1400yrs and I wonder when and how did terrorism became a muslim monopoly one fine morning..Muslims have been living together and fought hand in hand with others,to secure freedom for India..Then,when did indian muslims become anti-national all of a sudden?I don’t understand when and from where did this tsunami of islamic terrorism and anti-patriotism came from..
Muslim are still living in many parts of India,in peace and harmony..I don’t see terrorists in every muslim community?Why? Let the readers find answers for themselves..If problem is with the basic religion,why is it that majority of muslims are ‘unislamic’ by not bombing all non muslims..There are almost 2 billion muslims,and my small brain tells me that it is not a small number..This is insane..Any sane person can understand it even if he is deaf, blind and dumb..Why is it that so many people are busy questioning the religion instead of dealing with criminals irrespective of caste,color and creed..
I never heard of anybody questioning Christianity or questioning Americans as a whole and asking them to justify their religious faith or patriotism for America,based on Mr Bush’s acts..Didn’t he kill more people than those jihadists???.WHY on earth would people bother to question my faith and my patriotism based on Osama’s actions.. ***bangs my head to a stone wall***
Now,people would say,”It is because they quote verses from Quran”…SO WHAT? Muslims around the world have explained a zillion times how verses during war are used by Osama and allies to suit their personal agenda..I don’t think people all over the world are silly enough not to understand that plain fact..Why is it that normal muslims are needled ?***bangs my head to a stone wall***
I never heard of anybody questioning Christians for acts of high level priests molesting small boys..There isn’t a need either,bcoz it is an individual act and hence to be judged accordingly.Why on earth is not the same with muslims..I am NOT responsible for somebody else’s acts and I need not justify myself as to ‘how and why’ about my faith..
Questions would have made sense if majority of muslims had remianed silent and thereby giving a silent support to these evil guys..But that is not the case..I see hell lot of press notes,demostrations and like from the secular muslims..If people don’t see it and are not convinced yet,it is their problem and not mine..I am not resonsible for their jaundiced eyes..
Lol,interestingly,a bloggy friend of mine asked me,”Instead of running around explaining Quran to non muslims,why don’t you explain it to those terrorists”..UH? What does that mean?Am I expected to take a flight to their dens and explain context,translations ,linguistis meanings and stuff to those people..Sorry,I am a coward and I suggest you to do that,as you as an Indian is responsible for acts of fellow indians and it is your duty too to bring them to right path..
What a rant..Let me stop..I am so angry and frustrated and feel bad for myself..Sorry friends,I can’t take responsibility for somebody else’s acts.Would you do that?Would you take responsibility for atleast what your family member does?If your answer is ‘no’,then pls don’t expect the same from others..
Good day to all
P.S
I don’t think that muslims are sidelined in India..India is the best country in this world..I live in a muslim country today(for domestic reasons) and i can say for sure that life is hell boring here..Its the best back in my land where I ahve a temple,a mosque and a church within the vicinity of my eyes..and we all live in peace and celebrate each others festivals..Its sad that we people are purposely taking away the goodness in our society..Indeed very sad..
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Nimmy,
The christians are also being blamed as a community across the country. Churches which were more than a century old were destroyed by those who feel that a few missionaries somewhere are converting people through force or temptation.
I dont know if this makes you feel better that its not just the muslims who are made to feel this way. But it makes me feel doubly sorry.
As for saying sorry on behalf of the terrorists, you need to say sorry as much as I do. since both our communities have helped these miscreants to grow. but as individuals neither you nor me has anything to feel guilty about.
Thatz great from your part pinku..You shouldn’t be sorry,even i used to feel sorry and guilty..but why?We didn’t do anything,and also,we are trying from our part..You and me can’t go and picket parliment,so what? Every tiny drop of good deed is preserved and it will come to use some day..We jsut need to hang in for that brighter day..
grr..When i say this,i am always labelled as a day dreamer and phiolopher..i hate that..
Thanks pinku..
Good One… Finally…..ho… I got a blog where you spoke about problems faced by Muslims, and I could fully agree with you fully… 🙂 I too share the what Pinku has said “All communities have helped these miscreants to grow.” and these extremists are growing…
Arjun 🙂 Thanks..
What you wrote is absolutely true. Why would anyone for that matter have to answer for the actions of a few deranged people? No need. But, we are obliged to do is to be tolerant to ignorance.
In a lighter vein, “Wow! someone must have pissed you off pretty bad eh!”
Hemanth..lol..not really,just shouted loud and let off some ego and frustration 🙂
Welcome to my blog..Hope you’ll come again 😉
@Nimmy,
That bottom part of your post is really superb, where you have talked about India being a great country. It surely is.
I am sure that, although we have our problems, we shall overcome, ONE DAY!! 🙂
“Welcome to my blog..Hope you’ll come again”
Thank you and yes, I will be back. Will be following your blog.
Gud one!
Dear Nimitha, repeated posts like these are what cause more confusion. I think there is no sensible person who thinks you are responsible for what the terrorists do. At least, I have not encountered such a comment. Why should you then be angry? We are all asking questions about Quran here, many of us at least. That is in the posts where it is being discussed. Some of us like yourself are learning and others feel closer to their conclusions. If this debating about Quran leads you to believe that you are being held responsible for others acts, then the only reason you might feel like that is because you hold the Quran very close to you heart and think it is a question at you when it is being questioned. But that apart if people are seeking answers by asking you, it is only because you are more knowledgeable.
In connection with the subject, it is the people who are discouraging a free debate on the subject who are responsible for many more people picking up the wrong impressions and possibly responsible for terrorism also.
Gov,Glad to hear from you friend 🙂
Ak,I never said my readers are blaming/questioning me..We are having a good constructive discussion here..I posted this post after feeling bad reading some comment forums 😦
What we are doing here very somthing very good and I am thankful to readers like you for giving lot of input..I never blamed you..Wonder why you felt that way 😦
I think you should not judge a society by the comments made by few people in it (aka as you said some comment forums).
So i am still wondering what made you feel that “Am I,as a muslim,responsible for the acts of others muslims who interpret Quran wrongly & move around with bombs?”
For that matter neither you or any normal sane person who is religious but not communal in any religion can be held accountable for such things…. yes we all can do some things to sort the issue, but that doesn’t put the blame squarely on one person…. still wonderin what triggered thepost 🙂
You keep saying problems are not with ‘Islam,’ and you say ‘Islam’ is following the Quran. I’m reading the Quran, and it says you should kill me. You say I need a guide to interpret it for me: you recommend Yusuf al Qardawi, who advocates killing homosexuals and atheists and bombing civilians. Do you not see where I might have a problem?
And BTW, extensively quoting Harun Yahya, a cult leader facing a prison sentence for fraud and sex crimes, doesn’t much help your case. I’m sorry to be so negative; I don’t think you’re a bad person. Things are certainly different on your side of the world if you’ve never heard people questioning Americans and Christianity.
I dint get someone to ask this, or, lets say, was confused weather its supposed to be a secret … while getting in to pvr cinemas in the Forum, Bangalore, the security guy checked my bag, and asked me one question “are you a muslim” … donno why … was really really surprised .. does that matter if I am a muslim ?
Oh,i never knew that about Harun..All i knew is that i had read some articles and they made sense..and that was what i looked into..Never mind,why should i be offended when you speak..
See, watercat,none of your statements are factually wrong..
But what i was saying is I don;t find any direct refeence to killing homosexuals and apostates ,in Quran..What they are doing now is based on hadiths..I don’t believe that my Allah is silly or forgetful enough to leve out such an important rule relating to human life..That makes me believe that these stuff is man made..
Why would Allah want to kill homosexuals and apostates..
Homosexuality is unnatural and my reading tells me that it is not genetic and that the feeling can be erased away by willingness to change..I don’t believe Allah is so unmerciful..
Quran alone is Allah’s words and He promised to preserve Quran alone..Hadiths were written 200 yrs later death of Prophet,and social political eand ecnomical factors have influenced the writings..
So you may ask,why the whole Islamic world is making rules based on hadiths..I agree,that is the case..But as far as i see it,hadiths are only reference to know how and what of a certain matter,refering to Prophet..Apart from that,i don’t know how can hadiths be foundation of an islamic law..
Me ranting here doesn’t make any sense to what happens world outside..but i see lot of similar minded ,who believes,lot of Islamic doings,are to be rethinked..
Also,pls note that Sharia doesn’t run around killing all gays..Islam does not ordain killing of gays. Actual ruling is if a man had anal sex with another man then they are punished to death. Of course only if it is proven,by 4 witnesses..Taking away someone’s life is a big deal..
Dinu ,welcome 🙂
Sad to hear so from you..Never mind,its the latest fashion we have in india..
Nimmy, Muslims, Biharis, Christians, people from the North East – all are going through the same thing. It’s such a sad state of affairs.
keep writing.
Read this post too, I have just read the first few lines yet…
http://vinodksharma.blogspot.com/2008/09/islamic-terrorism-muslims-in-india-like.html
No Nimmy, you are not responsible for the acts of others muslims who interpret Quran wrongly & move around with bombs.
It is so evident that it does not even merit discussion.
Cheers,
Salil
@ Salill; When you support those who advocate bombings, you share no responsibility?
See the laws are not based on Hadiths, they are based on the life of Mohammad, who according to the Quran is an example for all to follow. They are actually following the Quran by setting up their laws on the behaviour of Mohammad. The question that arises actually is why Mohammad had a lot of apostates killed.
Besides, Quran by itself is not understandable and unclear. It does not give clear meanings and in some cases it is very dangerously so. Islamic law is based on reading of hadiths because Quran does not adequately suffice and hadith clarifies meanings. If hadiths were not used, a lot of gaps would be subjectively filled and that would mean the law is not Islamic anymore.
You mention that a homosexual male can be killed if he is found to have had anal sex by the testimony of 4 witnesses. Isn’t that cruel? What harm is a homosexual person doing to the rest of the people when he engages in anal intercourse? Exactly why is it any of others business?
And here I give credit to Quran, as far as my reading goes there is no opposing the gays or anal sex in the Quran.
@Watercat:
Everybody has a right to their opinions.
To draw an analogy, just because I supported Greg Chappel during his period as coach of Indian cricket team, am I responsible for all the losses and disintegration of the team during that period?
@vineeth,yeah,you are right..It is lame to generalize..But are you sure i am generalizing alone 🙂
IHM,thanks for the link..Yes I agree,its not against muslims alone..Muslim community need to get rid of the feeling of being sidelined..But sadly,even though I have lot faith in my nation,at times i feel odd…I hope everything turns up fine soon..
Salil,thanks 🙂 …But after reading watercat’s comment,I guess you know why I wrote such a post 🙂
Ak,
What harm is a homosexual person doing to the rest of the people when he engages in anal intercourse? Exactly why is it any of others business?
I don’t really understand how the qstns “how can an individual’s sexual preference affect a society”..
Is an individual and society mututally exclusive entities?Is it ok for a man to have ‘personal sexual preference ‘ to sleep with so many girls and hence he moves around raping girisl..Is the man and girls two different entities?
By favouring same sex sexual preferences,we are giving rise to different claases of children.Are you telling me that homosexual parenting has no effect on kids?Go ask any physcatrist how beneficial is it for a kid to have male mother and male father;female-mother and female-father..My shallow reading tells me that homosexuality is a learned behaviour..There are lot or articles availabel..Read this one,which i found to be a balanced one,instead of going to extremes and rant it neither as a right nor as a sin..
http://www.crescentlife.com/psychissues/homosexuality.htm
Quran refers to such unatural activities..
026.165-166 “Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!”
027.055 Would ye really approach men in your lusts rather than women? Nay, ye are a people (grossly) ignorant!
029.028-29 And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: “Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?” But his people gave no answer but this: they said: “Bring us the Wrath of God if thou tellest the truth.”
Muslim jurists however differ regarding the nature of punishment. According to the Hanafi school of legal thought, the act of sodomy does not amount to adultery and therefore there is no specified punishment to be given to the offender and the decision will be left to the judge and the court. The Mâliki school on the other hand argues that hadd punishment will be applied whether the offender is married or not. Shafi’i, Abu Yusuf and Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Shaibani maintain that the married offender will face the the hadd of stoning to death while the unmarried will face the Ta’azir [any penalty the judge decides to apply]. According to Sayyid al-Khoi of the Ja’fari school of jurisprudence, the offender will be treated in the same way as the one committing adultery and must face the hadd.
http://www.missionislam.com/knowledge/homosexuality.htm
Why do gays get preferential treatment?
Why are they allowed to have a “different” sexual preference?
What about bestiality and paedophilia? Aren’t these “different” too?
First of all there is nothing special in allowing them. It is their right to do what they want in their privacy, whether the law acknowledges it or not. As long as a sexual intercourse is between two (or more) consenting parties it is fine. Beasts do not have the means to communicate consent and children are too innocent to consent to sex.
To have sex with many people is not the same as raping them, the girls could have consented to the sexual relationship with the man, in which case I think it is their business and its rather unnecessary and rude to pass an opinion at that.
Giving a person his/her right is not exactly favouring it. I do not think the government or society has any business favouring any particular sexual orientation anyway.
Whether the kids will be impacted or not is a separate debate, question is why object to them getting together in their privacy at all? Those who are reading more on the subject from balanced and impartial sources will probably be able to throw more light.
>> Am I,as a muslim,responsible for the acts of others muslims who interpret Quran wrongly & move around with bombs? <<
There is a popular line of thought that moderates like you are moderate because you misinterpret the Quran. And that it’s the extremists who resort to terrorism and violence who interpret it correctly 🙂
That said, no, I don’t think you are responsible for anyone else’s actions (whether they are Muslims or not).
I also disagree with some people’s thinking that any Muslim who does not actively condemn Islamic violence is indirectly supporting it. That’s a load of crap.
@Nish
Wow..I feel great to know that you have already reached a conclusion..good for you 🙂
But unfortunately,i decide to ponder more over this,maybe i’ll reach my coclusion soon..and I am sure i have many readers along with me 🙂
>> But unfortunately,i decide to ponder more over this,maybe i’ll reach my coclusion soon.. <> Hell No,how can I be responsible for somebody else’s actions. <<
Nimmy,
Those two sentences are contradictory. In one of them you have clearly concluded that you are not responsible for others’ actions. In the other you state you have decided to ponder over this. 🙂
@Watercat,exactly.. 🙂
I am not responsible for the ill effects both these groups-gays and terrorists-cause to the society..
I have nothing against gays..neither do i support them..Thatz all..
Nish…hmm…did my comment have such a menaing..lol..
I still stand by what i said..I am not responsible for terrorists acts by so called muslims..Neither have i completed understanding Quran..Quran has plenty of verses relating to infinfite topics..I am not so smart enough to understand the whole Quran in a matter of few days..My bad 🙂 I still wonder how the both are contradictory…
WTF? Who wrote post #26?
lol..What i meant was ‘i am not in support of killing them,but neither do i encourage it”..I hope thatz clear..
Unforutnately the media esp in India is the root cause of social divide, if it exists as you say, bcos since the arrival of 24 hr news channels,all they want to do is sensationalising the news, without keeping in mind any consequences that it may cause or without completely checking the facts….
Yesterday I was shocked when in some news programme they were showing Orkut profile of many people,who were supposed to be involved in some criminal case(Pl Note the case is not even chargesheeted), I don’t understand who gave them the right to anlyse the orkut profiles of people.Moreover they brought Pshycologists in the programe to anaylse this. The sad thing is if these young men were proven not guilty in the end, it willnot make any difference, bcos already their name is tarnished by these channels in their so called programmes
Phew…. we serioulsy need some Television regulator in India like in UK…
We just need to see say a channel like HT and BBC together to understand the difference b/n qualty news and masala news!!!
Vineeth,your comment is very much thought provoking..Yes,I too have felt that media is more enthuciastic in dividing people rather than connecting them together..
The sad thing is if these young men were proven not guilty in the end, it willnot make any difference, bcos already their name is tarnished by these channels in their so called programmes
Indeed very sad..But nobody cares of it..All they want is ‘scoop’..Do you remember a man who was harassed the same way,i think for senting terror mail to President..But after all dirty publicity,he was found to be innocent and real culprit was found.But what is the use..The harm was already done..
Its high time that we look into this,otherwise it’ld just lead to more and more people pushed into wrong path..
dear Vineeth,
i am new to this forum. i dont think regulating media will solve the problem. bbc radio used to mention ‘hindu’ india. i consider BBC relatively impartial.
media is a business and the reporters relatively doing stenographer’s job; courtesy to p. sainath.
manoj
In one line: NO you are not!!
Hmm..but hardly people realize that..Its easy to generalize for them,knowing not the sentiments being hurt.. -Nimmy
Just as doctors are bound by the hippocratic oath, mediapersons too need to have a code of conduct properly spelt out.
This is because they are in a profession that involves major responsibility, so their behavior needs to be regulated.