“Girl, mistaken for Christian, gangraped, murdered in Orissa: Priest”

 

Rajani Majhi, a 20-year-old girl, was gangraped before being burnt alive by a mob at the church-run orphanage in Orissa’s Bargarh district where she worked, says a senior priest. They mistook her for a Christian.

 

Rajani’s gangrape and murder came on the same day as a 28-year-old nun was gangraped in Kandhamal district and a priest who tried to save her was beaten up and doused with kerosene before both were paraded naked, while a dozen policemen watched.

 

 Rajani was a student in Padampur Women’s College and worked at the orphanage to finance her education. The orphanage, which was set ablaze by the mob, was meant for children of leprosy patients

 

“The mob thought she was a Christian girl but actually she was a Hindu and was adopted by a childless couple. She was working in the orphanage,” said Peter.

 

 

Where are we going?Is this what one calls communalism?Why on earth do you get communal and show your intensity of faith by raping girls and nuns..

  

Few days ago,when I wote about hindu terrorism in Orissa,people labelled me a bored conspiracist,when I told that a nun was raped..Some of my readers said,accuse rape is conspiracy..uh..Read this..

 

38 days later, Orissa govt admits nun’s rape 

Yet another shameful chapter in sectarian strife was added when the Orissa government confirmed on Friday that a 29-year-old Catholic nun was raped by a fanatical Hindu gang on August 25, while the police ignored her pleas for help and looked the other way.

 

Orissa police claimed on Friday they ”received” the medical report — which found injuries to the victim’s private parts and pointed to sexual assault — only on October 1. But doctors have a different story. Dr Sangeeta Mishra, who along with Dr Smita Marandi, performed the examination at Baliguda government hospital on the night of the incident, have a different story.  

  

”We got the requisition for medical examination of the victim at 8.45pm on August 25 and began the examination half an hour later. We did a thorough check and collected samples. Our report was ready within 72 hours, but despite our intimation, police collected it only on October 1,” Mishra told TOI, adding that samples had been sent for forensic tests as well.

 

 It was on August 25, around 1pm, that an enraged mob of over 2,000 people, shouting ”Bharat Mata ki jai”, dragged the nun, who worked at Divyajyoti Pastoral Centre at Kanjamendi village in K Nuagaon, and Father Thomas Chellan (55) out of a house they were hiding in. The duo were brutally beaten up. The nun was taken to a deserted building and allegedly raped.

 

 

 

 

 

 So,WHAT NEXT??

 

 

Edited:

 

I can’t stop getting frustrated reading comments like these

  • it is clearly idicates that the rape accusition is false and it is a planned conspiracy to highlight the issue. How a rape can be commited with out any there was no external or internal injury????
  • The story says: According to the report of the nun’s medical examination, there was no external or internal vaginal injury, but semen was found inside. How is it possible ?. Looks like it’s all stage managed to bring down the Orissa govt. Is it not possible that the nun had Se-x after she was rescued ?. Why did she gave statement to police saying she was not raped ?. It all looks like built up story to demonize VHP and Bajrang Dal. Truth will always prevail. I am surprised how a nun can make such false statements

 

 Can I call them bored conspiracy-unpatriotic losers?

 

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    • thearmyguyspeaks
    • October 4th, 2008

    Well this is sad..its even sadder when my fellow muslim army officers are branded “kafirs” by the local populace…. !!

    • Milind Kher
    • October 4th, 2008

    It is an unfortunate fact that crimes against women always happen, as they are physically weaker. It surely depicts a depraved mentality.

    The situation becomes even worse when there is a rampaging mob of goons driven by communal hatred. Truly, the nation is in a bad situation.

    • arjun2k
    • October 4th, 2008

    Its sad wats happening in Orissa 😦

  1. Its an Insane World that we are living in.

    • Nimmy
    • October 4th, 2008

    @ thearmyguyspeaks,welcome 🙂

    Yeah,indeed sad..Are you in army? People join army for serving the nation..If they are labelled less patriotic,well,no wonder people like me are stereotyped by the mass..

    • Nimmy
    • October 4th, 2008

    Miling,Arjun,Priyanka..

    Our country is highjacked by bomb blasters on one side and hindutvas on other side..I hope this doesn’t go far as to take our own lives..

  2. You know my views on this. VIOLENCE against any citizen, any gender, age, community, section is totally wrong. Just the thought of what that girl must have gone through, and she was just twenty!
    …and is now dead. I hope and pray that at least the perpetrators get severely punished.

    • Vineeth
    • October 4th, 2008

    i dont understnad how hindutva comes into picture here???
    or rather why you want to portray people who believe in hindutva are doing this?
    i doubt whether you have checked what exactly is hindutva anyway…..
    whoever doing this needs to be prosecuted but at the same time when we come to conclusion rather than accuse, i feel its a dangerous trend…..

    • Nimmy
    • October 4th, 2008

    Vineeth,maybe I am least informed person..All I know is that these hindu terrorists are doing all this to ‘preserve hindu culture and india’..

    Maybe i have no idea of hindutva ..But i know that

    Hindutva has its roots on assertion that the only “true” Indians are Hindus, while all others – particularly Muslims and Christians – are not. The latter religions, termed “semitic” according to the Hindutva theory of history, are alien faiths imposed from the outside on “Hindu India” by foreign aggressors. Such exclusionism makes Hindutva, at its philosophical core, not merely “nationalistic” but supremacist. And any ideology that defines nationhood – with the concomitant rights and enfranchisement that this implies – by membership in a privileged race, culture, or religion, is nothing less than fascist.

    If the above statement is wrong,pls enlgihten me with the right information..I am not adamant enough to cling to my argument even if it is wrong..

    • thearmyguyspeaks
    • October 4th, 2008

    Yes , I am in the army.and glad that you understand the true essence of it…

  3. Whats worse is I have a sick feeling these people are taking advantage of the communal riots to assault women. They dont care 2 pennies about what Swamis or priests die, they just want their savagely inhuman acts justified under the tag of “religion”.

    Makes me sick! Its a woman and me being one, cant imagine the scenario. It ends for us when we shake our heads and say ‘what a bad world’. But when you try to empathize, you wont even want to imagine it – its simply too horrifying!
    How can people be so blind that it even needs a discussion to prove a point! Will there be a time when it wont be taken for granted that rape was a crime? Would people say it was merely an act on impulse, nothing serious – that women deserved it???

    I dont want to end any comment on a negative note, cause after detesting the evil, we dont stop there, we fight against it. I still believe there are a lot many people who’d stand with peace and justice, and they’d outnumber the villains any day. Only problem is the villains bond and stand together so much faster and efficiently than the rest of the world. If only the rest of the world could do that, they dont stand a chance!

  4. What I don’t understand is how can some people be happy by harming someone else? How can they cause pain to someone and be satisfied? Why are we human beings like this?

    And about the sick comments and blames on you, perhaps the ones who commented are people who find such pleasures! Perhaps they are also those typical “human beings(?)” who derive pleasure out of someone else’s pain. Personally, any person who thinks harming someone is fun, should be taken for free consultation to a Psychiatrist. 🙂

    • arjun2k
    • October 5th, 2008

    I am very sorry, that I have to comment on this blog to explain what a Hindu means.

    Definition of a Hindu :


    Aa sindho: sindhuparyantham
    yasya bharatha bhoomika
    mathru bhoo: pithru bhoo
    schaiva sa vai Hindu iti smrutha.

    Whomsoever, is considering the land from Sindhu(Indus) river upto Indian Ocean as motherland and fatherland is called a Hindu.

    It doesnt tell anywhere in any of the books, that you should be offering prayers to Krishna or Rama to be a Hindu.And a non-believer is who has love for India is also a Hindu.

    Nimmy, I was shocked to see your definition of Hindu, because I am hearing hte version you quoted for the first time in my life.

    • arjun2k
    • October 5th, 2008

    Forgot to say something, from Cris’ comment I understood atleast once in a while I may agree with her 🙂 ….

    • Nimmy
    • October 5th, 2008

    Cris,you hit the nail..to a greater portion of society,including women,things like these are not ‘very serious’ but just ‘unfortunate’…Unless the attitude chages,the scenario isn’t going to change either..

    • Nimmy
    • October 5th, 2008

    Rohini, 🙂

    Some people are really sadistic..We can’t help it,so the next option is to ignore…

    • Nimmy
    • October 5th, 2008

    Arjun,i was not talking about ‘hindu’..I am a hindu and a citixen of hindustan..and i am proud being so..It is that i am not a follower of hinduism..And I request you to notice that I didn’t say it,but blockquoted it..That makes lot of difference and i also told that i am not very familiar about hindutva,and asked for more info,but vineeth choose not to..

    Pls don’t mix Hindus and Hindutva..That would end up drawing lines between jews and zionism..I am not talking about hindus who are part of my life and world around,but about hindutva,a nationalistic ideology..

    • Vineeth
    • October 5th, 2008

    See my opposition was the way in which the term Hindutva is portrayed.
    See there is nothing called Hindu India, India’s hindi name was Hindustan, so as Arjun said where is the question of Hindu India.

    Then if you qouted, keeping what all media say that Sang Parivar have this idea of Hindutva etc etc… its not their trademark word…. well even if everyone in the world say 1+1 =3, it is not, bcos we know it is 2.So what i mean is if many people misuse the word Hindutva that does not change the concpet in that word just like Hitler used Swastika symbol, so can we concur that any hindu house who put the swastika symbol believe in Hitler’s ideology?

    Hindutva is a sanskrit word, which Savarkar had used in his ideology of Akand Bharat,( the definition of which Arjun has put), the concept was there even befor Savarkar used it.

    So i feel unlike media whose aim is publicity when you put words like ‘hindu terrorism’ or ‘hindutva’ it misleads…. bcos as i see it terrorists ar terrorists, it has no religion or anything else to it.

    The media may glorify, the politicians may glorify, they all have vested interets, but as i see it you don’t seem to, hence i made the comment, but this is just my opinion though!!!

    • Vineeth
    • October 5th, 2008

    P.S. in my study till date about the Hindu Religion, I have not found anyone who qualifies to be outside its purview… perhaps many people who consider them hindus may not know that or agree with it , but that is because they don’t know the fact sheet completely….

    • manoj
    • October 5th, 2008

    for me hindu is a word linked to indus valley civilisation.
    i dont know what is akhand bharat. for me nationalism is a fascist approach. it doesnt mean that one should not be patirotic.
    in short for me, RSS & JIH are organisations who work towards building up theocratic nation.

    • manoj
    • October 5th, 2008

    i feel it is harmful to project V.D. Savarkar in a pluralist society. even ‘hindutva’ organisations distanced from V.D. Savarkar at one point of time. some of the contents are posted for your reference.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinayak_Damodar_Savarkar

    Despite his exoneration, Savarkar’s role in the plot remains a source of intense controversy, but at the time the public held him answerable for instigating the murder. Public outrage over Gandhi’s murder wrecked the fortunes of the Hindu Mahasabha, whose membership and activity dwindled into insignificance. Savarkar’s home in Mumbai was stoned by angry mobs, and his political influence and activism sharply curtailed by widespread public anger.[1] His activities remained confined to occasional speeches and publishing his writings.

    Savarkar maintained a standing of a legendary freedom fighter, especially in Maharashtra, regarded with respect and admiration for his revolutionary activities and work on behalf of Hindus. He considered RSS and its associate organizations as too timid. But RSS had a stronger appeal to the votaries of Hindutva. RSS founder Hedgewar had the highest respect for Savarkar, and RSS continues to acknowledge Savarkar’s efforts for the Hindu unity.

    Savarkar exercised Voluntary Euthanasia and passed away on February 27, 1966 and was mourned by large crowds that attended his cremation. He had written an article ‘Atma-hatya or Deh-tyaag’, arguing that suicide in most cases is taking one’s life, but renouncing life after the body was no longer capable of functioning properly was a different matter. He left behind a son (Vishwas Savarkar) and a daughter (Prabhat-tai Chiplunkar). His first son, Prabhakar, had died in infancy. His home, possessions and other personal relics have been preserved for public display.

    • manoj
    • October 5th, 2008

    another artilcle on V. D. Savarkar with link is pasted below. this is an article published by Frontline. I could not access the archive, thus taken from peoples democracy.

    http://pd.cpim.org/2002/may19/05192002_sarvarkar_frontline.htm

    regards
    manoj

    • Nimmy
    • October 5th, 2008

    Vineeth,I understand and feel compassionate with your secular thoughts..But at the same time,it is funny and annoying to see that people are easily annoyed when fingers are pointing at them,while they feel very comfortable poinitng fingers at others..Isn’t that what we call double standards …

    keeping what all media say that Sang Parivar have this idea of Hindutva etc etc… its not their trademark word

    I agree,but why do people relate terrorism as synonymous to muslims..Don’t you think that is unfair..

    So what i mean is if many people misuse the word Hindutva that does not change the concpet in that word just like Hitler used Swastika symbol, so can we concur that any hindu house who put the swastika symbol believe in Hitler’s ideology?

    Dear friend,can you pls help me to count the number of people in this world who bothered to know the real meaning of Jihad?Sang Parivar has highjacked the concept of hindutva,and militants have highjacked the concept of jihad..Am I wrong?

    So i feel unlike media whose aim is publicity when you put words like ‘hindu terrorism’ or ‘hindutva’ it misleads…. bcos as i see it terrorists ar terrorists, it has no religion or anything else to it.

    Exactly right..I am sad people like you doesn’t speak out much,and hence fanatics take over and speak in place of you and me..We must change this..

    The media may glorify, the politicians may glorify, they all have vested interets, but as i see it you don’t seem to, hence i made the comment, but this is just my opinion though!!!

    And I have all respect for your opinion.. Simply bcoz you and me have ideological differences,that doesn’t mean we can’t have constructive talks..Can’t we agree to disagree?

    ..And yes,I have no intention to portray people of any religion as devils..Unto to me my religion,unto you yours..

    Good day

    • Nimmy
    • October 5th, 2008

    @manoj,

    for me nationalism is a fascist approach. it doesnt mean that one should not be patirotic.
    in short for me, RSS & JIH are organisations who work towards building up theocratic nation.

    Exactly what I am trying to say..It doesn’t matter what is the religon concerned,whoever claims to be superior or demands supremacy,is a facist and is absolutely wrong..No matter however faulty it is,democracy alone wins the game..I am a patriot and of course a nationalist in the sense that I love and will defend my country AS A WHOLE ,but what we are talking about is those guys who say that muslims and christians are out here in their own homeland to corrupt the so called authentic culture..

    • Nimmy
    • October 5th, 2008

    All,

    I am not talking against hinduism or hindus..Just like the holy term Jihad has been highjacked by militants,the term hindutva-meaning Hinduness-have been highjacked by religious fanatics,and that is what we are talking about..

    This has been the main reason for many communal riots,ranging from Babr masjid demolition to Gujrat..I never felt that any ‘hindu’ like me would do it.But it happened..so,that takes away the purity of the word,since intention is hidden by them and screwed into the term..

    See for ourself what the official site of Hindutva fanatic Bajang Dal http://hinduunity.org/ have to say about ‘venemous and dangerous muslims’..These guys claim that Christian missionaries are western spies in disguise..Have an overview over thier hitlist..

    Hindutva today is a highly intolerant version as like militants who rant ‘Allah Akbar’ while killing someone..They are one and the same.no matter how much one tries to sugar-ify the fact and tries to correct it,as muslims are trying to correct their own community and trying to show to the world that they are not a bunch of terrorists,i guess the same should happen from the other side too.

    Whether these criminals use the words jihad and hindutva,are their evils are the same and need to be treated equally..Tell me WHY SIMI IS BANNED WHILE bAJRANG dAL IS NOT????

    • Nimmy
    • October 5th, 2008

    To add to my comment regarding banning Dal,i just saw these comments in timesonline..Sorry for quoting,again i am not generalizing..just sharing what i felt ‘interesting’…

    Why they are talking of ban on an organization who are fighting for saving the integrity of country

    Why Bajrang Dal should be banned??? They are true Indians; they have all the right to destroy the economy of India just like our patriot Bengali Mrs Mamata Banerjee. Bajrang Dal are patriotic Indians it a crime against India to ban them!!!.

    Having said that,I don’t believe that minority commision had the ethical right to ask ban bcoz they are not doing their part of responsibily..

    • Milind Kher
    • October 6th, 2008

    If the word “jihad” has been hijacked by terrorists, and if “Hindutva” has been hijacked by goons, it is the Muslim and Hindu communities respectively who are to blame for not speaking out against it.

    Nobody can absolve themselves of the responsibility in this matter.

    • manoj
    • October 6th, 2008

    why people talk so much about religion.
    every one’s religion is good and it is supreme to the other!!

    • Vineeth SB
    • October 6th, 2008

    i agree with you on the term Jihad, bcos my research into spirituality, some 2 years back, when i was going thru the similarities in Sufism and Vedanta, (whcih many may not know have lot of similar researches about the path to self realisation), i came acrossa term called jihad e akbar, which as i understand is the highest form of jihad( correct me here if i am wrong, bcos all of these is what i read), and it actually was the struggle a person has to do against its lower tendencies in him , to achieve god realisation.
    So i can understand your dissappointment when sucha term is used to describe ulterior motives by others.

    But unlike Hindu religion, which does not have anybody who can ascribe to be the common spokesperson, i think the Wakf should clearly come out, hold press confernece and clarify that nobody can use the term jihad for any form of killings and Wakf can issue a fatwa against all the people who do “bomb blasts” and try to justify it using the terms from islam, my question is why aren’t they doing this?

    • Nimmy
    • October 6th, 2008

    Milind true,unless one accepts that there is a problem,the solution cannot be sorted out..

    • Nimmy
    • October 6th, 2008

    Manoj,

    Thatz the cruz of the issue..In indian context,I believe it is not constructive to have discussionOUTSIDE the scope of any religion..All religions claim to be the ture and superior one..Many people don’t keep religion a personal business and try to impose it on people around him and thatz when religion become a crap and evil thing..We all are willingly or unwillingly tied tp it,so we need to to sort out the mess standing within the framewrok..As I always say,it is easy and escapism to become an atheist or agnostic..Courage is in standing with it and untangling the messed web of communalism..

    • Nimmy
    • October 6th, 2008

    Vineeth,

    you are taking like any other petty psedo-liberalist..Sorry to offend you,but i guess you were in deep sleep for a week continuosly,when newspapers were giving articles on ultra conservative muslims holding a huge rally and issuing a fatwa and talking strongly against terrorism and killing innocent people..

    NEW DELHI: Jamiat Ulama-i-Hind, one of the leading Islamic organisations, along with several other Muslim outfits owing allegiance to different sects and ideologies, issued a “fatwa” against terrorism at the Anti-Terrorism Global Peace Conference at Ramlila Grounds here on Saturday.

    http://www.hindu.com/2008/06/01/stories/2008060159940800.htm

    Ever heard of deobands-the taliban ,pakistan and iraq jihadist’s school of thought?????

    The beginning of the end of the war of terror has started. Mullahs in India have issued a fatwa unequivocally denouncing terrorism. So far, the international media have failed to notice, which is not surprising: the levers for changing Muslim minds have been a mystery to governments and media alike. The mullahs I speak of are not just any old mullahs: they are Deobandi mullahs.

    Senior clerics from the 150-year-old Darul Uloom Deoband issued the edict saying they wished to wipe out terrorism. “Islam rejects all kinds of unjust violence, breach of peace, bloodshed, murder and plunder and does not allow it in any form,” said the rector, Habibur Rehman, to the cheers of thousands of students. Many held placards saying “Islam means peace”, while others chanted.
    A fatwa is the legal opinion of an individual scholar – and, as such, it can be dismissed by other religious scholars. This fatwa, however, is signed not just by Maulana Habibur Rahman, the grand mufti of Deoband, but also by his three deputies. It comes from an institution and not an individual. “In the theological universe, it is the equivalent of a verdict of a full constitutional bench of a Supreme Court,” says Javed Anand, the Mumbai-based Muslim activist.

    But the Deoband scholars went further. To announce the fatwa, they organised a conference on “Anti-Terrorism and Global Peace”. Held on 31 May at the Ramlila Ground in Delhi, the conference brought together all the main Muslim organisations, such as Jamaat-e-Islami Hind and the All India Muslim Personal Law Board. Vir tually all the Muslim sects in India, including Wahhabis, Sufis and Barelvis, were represented. Estimates of those attending vary from 10,000 to 70,000. One thing is certain: it was the greatest assembly of beards ever seen in India.

    The gathering declared that jihad and terrorism have no connection. The very idea of a terrorist glorying in violence and describing himself as a jihadi was denounced as an abo mination. The conference saw terrorism as the greatest threat facing Muslim societies today. Finally, all the mullahs present signed an oath of allegiance: “We are bound by the fatwa of Darul Uloom Deoband and undertake that we shall condemn terrorism and spread Islam’s message of global peace.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/muslim-seminary-issues-fatwa-against-terrorism-838162.html

    I suggest you to read these types of news too..

    • Milind Kher
    • October 6th, 2008

    It is very true that in India people do not keep religion a personal business, and people always try to impose their religion on others.

    We need to be able to keep ourselves in check and allow everybody to follow their respective faiths. This is critical for harmony in the country.

    • Nimmy
    • October 6th, 2008

    The importance is not in fatwa itself,but in WHO,the Deoband’s,the most radical group issuing it..

    It is not a rally that matters,but WHO,the most orthodox conservative muslims holding such a huge rally..that too in the capital city Delhi..

    Wonder what makes people blinded to these kinds of progressive news…

    About 20000 Islamic teachers, pupils & maulavees from all over India took part in it. For the first time in India, such a huge gathering gave their opinions against terrorism. It is said that the instant Taliban thought in Afghanistan is inspired by Darul Uloom at Deoband. Whereas at present the Taliban thought is being seen as a synonym of terrorism. When the stories of barbarism of the Talibanis are being heard, to announce a Fatwa by Darul Uloom, Deoband against terrorism, to tell that the terrorism is anti-Islamic & killing of the innocent people against the Islam & the Quran Shareef is good news for the peace loving world.

    • Nimmy
    • October 6th, 2008

    And finally a single question,”What have hindu leaders done ,regarding barbarism in Orissa and like places”…

    • Milind Kher
    • October 6th, 2008

    @Nimmy,

    I agree with you. Dar ul Uloom Deoband coming out with a fatwa against terrorism was something awesome. It is something that needs to be appreciated.

    Somewhere, the gestures made by the Muslim community also need to be understood and appreciated by the Hindus.

    • Nimmy
    • October 6th, 2008

    Milind…

    Inspite of all this,you can stilll hear rants like

    That is great, what a pleasant surprise ! That is real courage. We are very indebted to you for doing us this honour,you deserve a Nobel Prize for so openly criticizing the esteemed sheikh ! But criticizing bin Laden is not enough.You have to stop him from killing people. So do us another favour : next time you meet Him please tell him to stop this madness

    lol..I am waiting for somebody to make such a comment here,so that i can ask him to arrange me a airticket to white house,as to preach Bin laden..

    More interstingly,I wonder what have these guys in order to prevent their own fanatics from raping nuns and tearing open pregnant woman’s womb..uh…

    • manoj
    • October 6th, 2008

    do people go and look at geetha or quran to find out what should be done once a riot takes place.

    who is practicing religion in an ideal context.

    • Nimmy
    • October 6th, 2008

    Manoj..

    :-)..I agree..The whole issue is about taking things out of context and quoting it..

    Criminals may do whatever they like..But they can’t quote random verses from Quran to support their acts,and that is when i am offended..

    Either you follow it or reject it..Sadly,99.9% of all religous followers comes in the middle path,choosing what they ‘feel comfortable’…

    • nandu
    • October 6th, 2008

    Nimmy and all,

    I am going to make myself unpopular again.

    All communalism is bad, whether it is by Hindu, Muslim or Christian. All kind of sectarianism is bad, whether it is Tamil, Marathi, or Assamese: Dalit or Upper-caste. There should be no discrimination. This is the only way to sanity in India.

    For years, political parties have pampered to minority feelings, seeing them as a vote bank; the Congress still has a political alliance with the Muslim League, which it says is not a communal party! This has resulted in Hindus feeling betrayed, and it is this feeling of betrayal that the Hindu communal parties are exploiting. This is the hard fact.

    Now, I expect a barrage posts saying how these organisations are different from the RSS; how they are peace-loving, only interested in the peaceful propagation of religion etc. Sorry, I don’t buy it… as long as you don’t condemn all communal organisations in the same breath, it is pseudo-secularism, as the BJP says.

    Organised religion is bad for democracy. Religion should be a private business between one and one’s God.

    It is no use bellowing that Hindus have to stop being communal: it is a dictum to be followed by all religions. Otherwise, the time is not far away when India will be ruled by somebody like Narendra Modi. And then no amount of rational argument will save the country.

    • Milind Kher
    • October 6th, 2008

    Nandu,

    Communalism and sectarianism are bad irrespective of who practices it.

    Organized religion is not bad for countries who are mature enough to deal with it.

    Nobody says that only Hindus have to stop being communal. All people who are being communal have to stop doing that.

    • nandu
    • October 6th, 2008

    I agree, Milind… but I find the Congress, a “secular” party, calling to isolate the BJP while openly sharing seats with the Muslim League…

    • Milind Kher
    • October 6th, 2008

    The Muslim League is not a party a secular party should have an alliance with. I agree.

    • Nimmy
    • October 7th, 2008

    Nandu,

    I am going to make myself unpopular again.

    🙂 But i see it otherwise..Almost all readers here,see you as someone who makes mature statements and in fact you are quite popular..I quoted your in a comment recently..so pls keep coimng..

    All communalism is bad..There should be no discrimination. This is the only way to sanity in India.

    Of course,there is no second opinion about it and we too are talking about the same..

    For years, political parties have pampered to minority feelings, seeing them as a vote bank

    ah,sad but true..But even to this day,most minorities are deluded to think that political parties are really very very concerned about them..The change is happening,slowly..

    the Congress still has a political alliance with the Muslim League, which it says is not a communal party! This has resulted in Hindus feeling betrayed, and it is this feeling of betrayal that the Hindu communal parties are exploiting. This is the hard fact.

    I agree,but see Nandu,muslims/minorities doesn’t have a choice either.Do we have? Though I have voted only twice in my life,once in parliment election and once in state level,i have only looked into the person and not the party involved..But then again,i have only the choice to choose withink the given 3-4 ones..Bcoz of this reason,i have seen many people reluctant to vote..But staying away is not the solution either..I guess things would take a turn when we have a ‘None of the above’ choice in voting slip..

    Now, I expect a barrage posts saying how these organisations are different from the RSS; how they are peace-loving, only interested in the peaceful propagation of religion etc.

    🙂 Nothing like that..I don’t like muslim league..I never saw them propogating religion,except maligning the name of Islam through their sick acts…That said,i am not very sure if they have militant activities,unlike RSS ..Its high time we stop looking at political parties..To them,its all matter of vote bank and power..

    It is no use bellowing that Hindus have to stop being communal: it is a dictum to be followed by all religions

    I wonder why did you perceive the discussion otherwise? I always put forward the FACT that there s no point in pointing fingers,but in having self introsception..I am uneasy bcoz people can’t talk about hindu terrorism,but can give speeches on islamic terrorism for hours and hours..That isn’t fair,isn’t it??

    Otherwise, the time is not far away when India will be ruled by somebody like Narendra Modi. And then no amount of rational argument will save the country

    Exactly..Already,lot of people have been looking up at Modi as the messihah of India..He is a good administrator,but communal to the core..Its dangerous to have him as our PM..I believe even Advani is a diluted version,but not Modi..

    Good day..

    • Nimmy
    • October 7th, 2008

    Milind,I agree 100% with you..But as of today,we have no better choice.Forming a new political patry is not a solution either..We already have hell lot.Maybe we can compel them to chnage by making wise use of our votes..Educating the laymen on how to make right use of their vote,rather than just brainwahed mass communal voting may help lot..

    • manoj
    • October 7th, 2008

    congress is ‘secular’ to ensure mass killing in delhi against sikhs.
    congress is ‘secular’ in allowing mass mobilisation of shilanyas, demolition of a structure (whether it is a mosque or a structure or arheological stuff or whatever)
    congress is ‘secular’ in allowing many riots in india; whether it is ‘hindu’ versus ‘muslim’ or ‘upper caste hindu’ versus ‘lower caste hindu’
    congress is ‘secular’ in issuing bill against shabano case

    BJP/NDA has a MP from Lakshadweep (with a dominated muslim population) which will also prove their ‘secular’ credential.

    communists made the first coalition in kerala with muslim league. they are also ‘secular’.

    may be i am an exception as a suedo secular.

    • Nimmy
    • October 7th, 2008

    Manoj,i am not really sure of what you are trying to imply..

    Do you mean to say that there is no way out?

    • manoj
    • October 7th, 2008

    religion is nothing to do with the present day crisis.
    liberal thoughts outside religion should prevail.
    RSS cannot think of reconverting muslims and christians in india.
    muslims shouldnt think of extending a taleban state extending afghan borders to india.
    similar is the case with christians from mizoram to kanyakumari.

    human race had witnessed renaissance through semitic religion.
    i hope that is good enough for a human being these days to increase liberal thinking.

    • Milind Kher
    • October 8th, 2008

    Yes, it is very important for liberal thoughts to prevail.

    The best way to do that is to keep religion as private an affair as possible. This will ensure that people will interact with each other as good human beings, without religion dividing them.

    In India, unfortunately, a mature way of practising one’s own religion without treading on the other’s toes is not in evidence. That is stange given that this was the practice in the old days.

    • manoj
    • October 8th, 2008

    do any one know allah is a synonym for god in arabic.
    this is in existence before muhammed.

    where is christianity originated from which was in existence before islam. what was jesus christ calling ‘god’.

    do anyone know muslims should accept any other religion; may be because it is a recent religion.

    ‘allah’ is it belongs to muslims only ??

    may be gandhiji noticed it. i am poor in hindi, there is a song which depicts eshwar allah …..

    people just quote religion for their convenience.

    why do muslims accept ‘dowry’ in india as a cultural assimilation.
    what happened in shabano case.

    do anyone read or learn their religion while they practice their rituals of their respective religion.

    for me quran and geetha teach tactics. may be bible teaches love.

    at the end let me ask what is the relevance of religion!!

    may be i am a idealist here.

    • noname
    • October 9th, 2008

    it’s just stupid people doing stupid shit as usual

    • Milind Kher
    • October 10th, 2008

    Religion is something best discussed amongst people who belong to the same religion. When it is discussed by people belonging to different religions, it more often than not gives rise to friction.

    In gatherings from various communities, it is better to discuss spiritualism than religion.

  5. there is so much hate in the air. I came to visit this site post it winning one of the awards. we have to find the reason for this hatred and try n eradicate the same. I have tried to pin point the reasons in my blog post http://maverickindianmusings.blogspot.com/search?q=religious+strife
    Jai Hind

    Hi cool4u,Sorry for being late to reply..Welcome to my blog 🙂

    True,there is so much hat red and mistrust in the air..and I completely agree with you that we as a whole must try to eradicate it as soon as possible,instead of just the regular blame game…Keep coming .Good day-Nimmy

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