Remembering Prophet Muhammad on his birthday

Today,its Prophet Muhmmad’s birth date. I don’t celebrate Prophet’s birthday,but I would recall his teaching of peace and tolerance. Some Muslims say that celebrating one’s birthday is haram..Oh well, I find nothing wrong in finding happiness in small small things in life. Also, birthdays can be used to have a look back at the days gone and for making plans for coming days. Many scholars are of this opinion/ruling.

 

Islam supports the celebration of birthdays if it is an expression of gratitude to Allah for His bounties, sustenance and blessings in man’s life, as long as that celebration does not include anything that may displease Allah, the Almighty.There is nothing wrong if we try to make them(kids) feel happy on that day as long as we are using lawful things. In Islam, birthdays are not considered `eid (a festival) like `Eidul-Fitr or `Eidul-Adha, because `eids have conditions and guidelines such as not being allowed to fast during the days of Eid. Therefore, birthdays are simply occasions of a person’s date of birth and are a matter of culture. If a person wants to commemorate his/her date of birth, then he/she may do so, especially if he/she takes the opportunity to reflect on the past and pledge to be better during the following year. However, to make the birthday an important occasion is not recommended or encouraged. Permissibility is the original ruling in this case, as there is no evidence of prohibition.[read more]

On this occasion,I would like to draw your attention to an article,dealing with a ‘hot’ topic –Prophets’ marriages .Today,not many are interested in other vast virues of Prophet ,so I thought of talking about this area of interest to you.I am a least informed person,but if you have any questions,I will try to find answers for them..Read below…

 

When the Nigerian journalist Isioma Daniel wrote that Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, would want to take one of the body-flaunting beauties in the Miss World pageant as his wife, Isioma was, besides exhibiting insensitivity, factually incorrect.

 

Muhammad’s 12 wives, although not all married to him at the same time, were modest, courageous, independent, outspoken, righteous, patient and loyal.They were not known for their physical beauty –certainly not the kind that is flaunted in public.All of Muhammad’s wives chose to remain devoted to him out of their own free will. The Quran recounts this choice: “O Prophet, tell your wives: ‘If you want the worldly life and its attraction, then come on! I’ll let you enjoy them and dismiss you in a handsome fashion.’ “[33:28].For this noble choice, they were afforded the generous title of mother of the believers, exemplars of Muslim womanhood.

 

Why did Muhammad marry 12 women? John Esposito, in Islam: The Straight Path , writes, “As was customary for Arab chiefs, many were political marriages to cement alliances. Others were marriages to the widows of his companions who had fallen in combat and were in need of protection.”

 

Muhammad was far ahead of his time by marrying Khadija, a widow and an independent business owner 15 years older than he was, as his first wife. This monogamous relationship, which lasted nearly 25 years,until Khadija’s death, was contrary to the then-Jewish, Christian and Arab traditions that allowed for unlimited wives.

 

Perhaps even more eye-opening was the fact that Muhammad took Sawda as his second wife when she was a 65-year-old widow. This marriage came as a great surprise to Muhammad’s contemporaries, who usually took wives for their wealth or beauty, rarely out of compassion and affording security to women.In fact, all but one of Muhammad’s wives were widows, and many of them were over the age of 40 when they married him.

 

Two of Muhammad’s marriages have come under particular attack from those who never lose an opportunity to promote Islamophobia, much like the idolaters of Muhammad’s time. Even in their enmity, the Meccans of Muhammad’s time never accused him of moral ineptitude.The current charge that Muhammad took his third wife, Aisha, when she was a minor is based on apocryphal traditions. The preponderance of evidence suggests that Aisha was between 16 and 19 years old when she married Muhammad.

 

Another marriage that has raised current scrutiny is his seventh wife, Zaynab. This marriage, as with most of Muhammad’s actions, was done to instruct the nascent Muslim community by setting personal examples.At issue was the relationship of an adopted child to his new parents.Modern Westerners may disagree, but Islam’s position is that adopted children are not equivalent in legal or biological status to children out of natural birth.To illustrate this, God commanded Muhammad to marry the wife of his adopted son following their divorce.

 

 

While Muhammad was Caesar and pope in one, he had none of their worldly possessions. In fact a mini-revolt erupted among Muhammad’s wives not due to jealousy (as one might have expected) but complaints about their lack of worldly possessions.

 

Muhammad’s daytime was spent fulfilling his prophetic mission of teaching. His nights were spent in long solitary prayers. This lifestyle was scarcely conducive to sexual perversion as suggested in many misinformed quarters.Authentic traditions tell us that Muhammad used to stand in prayer during much of each night. In the process, his feet would swell up. Aisha asked him about his extreme efforts to please God even though God had given him the good news of admittance into Paradise. Muhammad’s answer was befitting a prophet: “Shouldn’t I be a grateful servant?”

 

To avoid the kind of excesses that we saw in Nigeria,both Muslims and non-Muslims need to know the traditions of the other more thoroughly. Perhaps one place to start is with the figure of Muhammad.Karen Armstrong says, “Muhammad was a man who faced an absolutely hopeless situation. . . .Single-handedly in a space of 23 years he brought peace and a new hope to Arabia and a new beacon for the world.”

 

 

Any Questions ?? 🙂

 

Good day  and Advance Holi wishes to all of you..

 

holi-greetings

 

 

Article source : http://www.islamawareness.net/Muhammed/wives.html

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  1. Happy Holi to u too!

  2. Nimmy, this is so informative, and so balanced. I do enjoy the way you teach us so much about Islam, and it various aspects.

    Thank you 🙂

    • nik
    • March 10th, 2009

    What is the evidence that Aisha was 16-19 at the time of marriage?

    She was 6. Do not obfuscate the facts.

    These are the relevant verses from Sahih Bukhari.

    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64:
    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

    Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65:
    Narrated ‘Aisha:

    that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death).” what you know of the Quran (by heart)’

      • Nimmy
      • March 10th, 2009

      🙂 Please read below..

      Age of Aisha (ra) at time of marriage compiled by Zahid Aziz

      Qualities of Aisha and her role in Islam

      In any discussion on the age of Aisha (ra: may Allah be pleased with her) at the time of her marriage with the Holy Prophet Muhammad (may peace and the blessings of Allah be upon him), it is of the greatest relevance to note the pivotal role she played as a teacher, exponent and interpreter of the religion of Islam. Aisha was an exceptionally intelligent and astute woman, a young prodigy, and this was the main reason why she was got married to the Holy Prophet, as is clearly proved by events after the Holy Prophet’s life. She entered his household, shortly after his emigration to Madina, just at the time when the teachings of Islam in all fields of life for the Muslim community were starting to be revealed to the Holy Prophet and demonstrated by him by his example and practice. An intellectually gifted person was required who would have daily contact with the Holy Prophet at the closest and most personal level, so as to absorb the teachings that he was giving on all aspects of life by his words and actions. Such a person would need to possess the following qualities:

      an excellent, precise memory to retain a vast amount of detail accurately,
      the understanding to grasp the significance and the principles of the teachings,
      powers of reasoning, criticism and deduction to resolve problems on the basis of those teachings,
      the skills to convey knowledge to a wide range of audience,
      and, finally, have the prospect of living for a considerable period of time after the death of the Holy Prophet in order to spread his message to distant generations.

      That Aisha possessed all these qualities and carried out this mission is an absolutely positive and undeniable, historical fact. After the Holy Prophet’s death, she acted as a teacher and interpreter of Islam, providing guidance to even the greatest of the male Companions of the Holy Prophet Muhammad. They made a special point of going to her to gain knowledge and seek her opinion. A vast number of sayings and actions of the Holy Prophet are reported from her in books of Hadith. She not only quoted his sayings and reported her observations of events, but interpreted them to provide solutions to questions. Whenever necessary, she corrected the views of the greatest of the Companions of the Holy Prophet. She made rulings and judgments on which Islamic law is based.

      The following are two examples of what the Holy Prophet’s male Companions said about her:

      “Abu Musa said: Whenever there was any hadith that was difficult [to understand] for us, the Companions of the Messenger of Allah, and we asked Aisha we always found that she had knowledge about that hadith.”

      “Musa ibn Talha said: I never saw anyone more eloquent than Aisha.”
      In the famous compilation of the lives of saints in Islam, Tadhkirat-ul-Auliya, the author Farid-ud-Din Attar, who lived eight centuries ago, introduces the life of the early female saint Rabia of Basra as follows:

      “If anyone says, ‘Why have you included Rabia in the rank of men?’, my answer is that the Prophet himself said, ‘God does not regard your outward forms’. … Moreover, if it is proper to derive two-thirds of our religion from Aisha, surely it is permissible to take religious instruction from a handmaid of Aisha.”

      It is thus recognised, from the earliest times in Islam, that some two-thirds of Islamic Sharia is based on reports and interpretations that have come from Aisha.

      In view of these exceptional qualities of Aisha and the towering role played by her in the transmission of the teachings of Islam, it is simply preposterous and outrageous to suggest that she was the victim of some form of child and marital abuse. We ask in particular the Christian and Jewish critics of Islam, who are reviling the Holy Prophet Muhammad on the basis of his marriage with Aisha, whether they can point out any example of a woman in their religions who played a role like that of Aisha in learning the religion from its founder and becoming the teacher and instructor of all his followers, including men, after his death.

      Age of Aisha at time of marriage with Holy Prophet Muhammad

      It is believed on the authority of some Hadith reports that the marriage ceremony (known as nikah, amounting to betrothal) of Aisha with the Holy Prophet Muhammad took place when she was six years of age, and that she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife three years later at the age of nine. We quote below from two such reports in Bukhari.

      “It is reported from Aisha that she said: The Prophet entered into marriage with me when I was a girl of six … and at the time [of joining his household] I was a girl of nine years of age.”

      “Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed [alone] for two years or so. He married Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consummated that marriage when she was nine years old.”

      As to the authenticity of these reports, it may be noted that the compilers of the books of Hadith did not apply the same stringent tests when accepting reports relating to historical matters as they did before accepting reports relating to the practical teachings and laws of Islam. The reason is that the former type of report was regarded as merely of academic interest while the latter type of report had a direct bearing on the practical duties of a Muslim and on what was allowed to them and what was prohibited. Thus the occurrence of reports such as the above about the marriage of Aisha in books of Hadith, even in Bukhari, is not necessarily a proof of their credibility.

      Determination of the true age of Aisha

      It appears that Maulana Muhammad Ali was the first Islamic scholar directly to challenge the notion that Aisha was aged six and nine, respectively, at the time of her nikah and consummation of marriage. This he did in, at least, the following writings: his English booklet Prophet of Islam, his larger English book Muhammad, the Prophet, and in the footnotes in his voluminous Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, these three writings being published in the 1920s and 1930s. In the booklet Prophet of Islam, which was later incorporated in 1948 as the first chapter of his book Living Thoughts of the Prophet Muhammad, he writes in a lengthy footnote as follows:

      “A great misconception prevails as to the age at which Aisha was taken in marriage by the Prophet. Ibn Sa‘d has stated in the Tabaqat that when Abu Bakr [father of Aisha] was approached on behalf of the Holy Prophet, he replied that the girl had already been betrothed to Jubair, and that he would have to settle the matter first with him. This shows that Aisha must have been approaching majority at the time. Again, the Isaba, speaking of the Prophet’s daughter Fatima, says that she was born five years before the Call and was about five years older than Aisha. This shows that Aisha must have been about ten years at the time of her betrothal to the Prophet, and not six years as she is generally supposed to be. This is further borne out by the fact that Aisha herself is reported to have stated that when the chapter [of the Holy Quran] entitled The Moon, the fifty-fourth chapter, was revealed, she was a girl playing about and remembered certain verses then revealed. Now the fifty-fourth chapter was undoubtedly revealed before the sixth year of the Call. All these considerations point to but one conclusion, viz., that Aisha could not have been less than ten years of age at the time of her nikah, which was virtually only a betrothal. And there is one report in the Tabaqat that Aisha was nine years of age at the time of nikah. Again it is a fact admitted on all hands that the nikah of Aisha took place in the tenth year of the Call in the month of Shawwal, while there is also preponderance of evidence as to the consummation of her marriage taking place in the second year of Hijra in the same month, which shows that full five years had elapsed between the nikah and the consummation. Hence there is not the least doubt that Aisha was at least nine or ten years of age at the time of betrothal, and fourteen or fifteen years at the time of marriage.” [4] (Bolding is mine.)

      To facilitate understanding dates of these events, please note that it was in the tenth year of the Call, i.e. the tenth year after the Holy Prophet Muhammad received his calling from God to his mission of prophethood, that his wife Khadija passed away, and the approach was made to Abu Bakr for the hand of his daughter Aisha. The hijra or emigration of the Holy Prophet to Madina took place three years later, and Aisha came to the household of the Holy Prophet in the second year after hijra. So if Aisha was born in the year of the Call, she would be ten years old at the time of the nikah and fifteen years old at the time of the consummation of the marriage.

      Later research

      Research subsequent to the time of Maulana Muhammad Ali has shown that she was older than this. An excellent short work presenting such evidence is the Urdu pamphlet Rukhsati kai waqt Sayyida Aisha Siddiqa ki umar (‘The age of Lady Aisha at the time of the start of her married life’) by Abu Tahir Irfani.[4a] Points 1 to 3 below have been brought to light in this pamphlet.

      1. The famous classical historian of Islam, Ibn Jarir Tabari, wrote in his ‘History’:

      “In the time before Islam, Abu Bakr married two women. The first was Fatila daughter of Abdul Uzza, from whom Abdullah and Asma were born. Then he married Umm Ruman, from whom Abdur Rahman and Aisha were born. These four were born before Islam.”
      Being born before Islam means being born before the Call.

      2. The compiler of the famous Hadith collection Mishkat al-Masabih, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, who died 700 years ago, has also written brief biographical notes on the narrators of Hadith reports. He writes under Asma, the older daughter of Abu Bakr:

      “She was the sister of Aisha Siddiqa, wife of the Holy Prophet, and was ten years older than her. … In 73 A.H. … Asma died at the age of one hundred years.”

      This would make Asma 28 years of age in 1 A.H., the year of the Hijra, thus making Aisha 18 years old in 1 A.H. So Aisha would be 19 years old at the time of the consummation of her marriage, and 14 or 15 years old at the time of her nikah. It would place her year of birth at four or five years before the Call.

      3. The same statement is made by the famous classical commentator of the Holy Quran, Ibn Kathir, in his book Al-bidayya wal-nihaya:

      “Asma died in 73 A.H. at the age of one hundred years. She was ten years older than her sister Aisha.”
      Apart from these three evidences, which are presented in the Urdu pamphlet referred to above, we also note that the birth of Aisha being a little before the Call is consistent with the opening words of a statement by her which is recorded four times in Bukhari. Those words are as follows:

      “Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.”
      This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam. No doubt she and her parents knew well whether she was born before or after they accepted Islam, as their acceptance of Islam was such a landmark event in their life which took place just after the Holy Prophet received his mission from God. If she had been born after they accepted Islam it would make no sense for her to say that she always remembered them as following Islam. Only if she was born before they accepted Islam, would it make sense for her to say that she can only remember them being Muslims, as she was too young to remember things before their conversion. This is consistent with her being born before the Call, and being perhaps four or five years old at the time of the Call, which was also almost the time when her parents accepted Islam.

      Two further evidences cited by Maulana Muhammad Ali

      In the footnotes of his Urdu translation and commentary of Sahih Bukhari, entitled Fadl-ul-Bari, Maulana Muhammad Ali had pointed out reports of two events which show that Aisha could not have been born later than the year of the Call. These are as follows.

      1. The above mentioned statement by Aisha in Bukhari, about her earliest memory of her parents being that they were followers of Islam, begins with the following words in its version in Bukhari’s Kitab-ul-Kafalat. We quote this from the English translation of Bukhari by M. Muhsin Khan:

      “Since I reached the age when I could remember things, I have seen my parents worshipping according to the right faith of Islam. Not a single day passed but Allah’s Apostle visited us both in the morning and in the evening. When the Muslims were persecuted, Abu Bakr set out for Ethiopia as an emigrant.”
      Commenting on this report, Maulana Muhammad Ali writes:

      “This report sheds some light on the question of the age of Aisha. … The mention of the persecution of Muslims along with the emigration to Ethiopia clearly shows that this refers to the fifth or the sixth year of the Call. … At that time Aisha was of an age to discern things, and so her birth could not have been later than the first year of the Call.”
      Again, this would make her more than fourteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage.

      2. There is a report in Sahih Bukhari as follows:

      “On the day (of the battle) of Uhud when (some) people retreated and left the Prophet, I saw Aisha daughter of Abu Bakr and Umm Sulaim, with their robes tucked up so that the bangles around their ankles were visible hurrying with their water skins (in another narration it is said, ‘carrying the water skins on their backs’). Then they would pour the water in the mouths of the people, and return to fill the water skins again and came back again to pour water in the mouths of the people.”
      Maulana Muhammad Ali writes in a footnote under this report:

      “It should also be noted that Aisha joined the Holy Prophet’s household only one year before the battle of Uhud. According to the common view she would be only ten years of age at this time, which is certainly not a suitable age for the work she did on this occasion. This also shows that she was not so young at this time.”

      If, as shown in the previous section above, Aisha was nineteen at the time of the consummation of her marriage, then she would be twenty years old at the time of the battle of Uhud. It may be added that on the earlier occasion of the battle of Badr when some Muslim youths tried, out of eagerness, to go along with the Muslim army to the field of battle, the Holy Prophet Muhammad sent them back on account of their young age (allowing only one such youngster, Umair ibn Abi Waqqas, to accompany his older brother the famous Companion Sa‘d ibn Abi Waqqas). It seems, therefore, highly unlikely that if Aisha was ten years old the Holy Prophet would have allowed her to accompany the army to the field of battle.

      We conclude from all the evidence cited above that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was nineteen years old when she joined the Holy Prophet as his wife in the year 2 A.H., the nikah or betrothal having taken place five years previously.

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      From the information I gathered lately,it seems to me that the age ,6-9- was fabricated by some horny man as to justify their act…

    • Milind Kher
    • March 10th, 2009

    Nimmy,

    Why do the Muslims have to always be on the backfoot? DECLARE that India is not a Dar Ulm Harb. Keep PROVING that the terrorist interpretation of JIHAD is wrong. JUSTIFY the Prophet’s marriages to prove he was not a womanizer.

    I often wish people would take a peep at their own practices and scriptures before castigating Muslims

  3. Hello Nimmy !!!

    I really appreciate the kind of information that you have provided. Not many people know the reality, and just use it for their own personal purposes by twisting its perception.

    Anyways, I hope that learning goes in right and intended sense.

    Happy Holi to you !!

    Take care !

  4. nice information… happy holi and happy bday of the prophet 🙂

  5. Good post with lot of information. I think the essence of any religion or the take home point from the life of all great men is how to lead a better,happy and peaceful life. By examining their life and the books with a magnifying glass you may miss the whole message.

  6. Nimmy thank you for sharing this and as Usha says indeed you bring a new gentle understanding to the whole topic.. 🙂

    ‘I find nothing wrong in finding happiness in small small things in life. Also, birthdays can be used to have a look back at the days gone and for making plans for coming days”
    yes thats a great way of looking at things 🙂

    Happy Birthday to Prophet Muhamad 🙂
    and Happy Holi to you 🙂

    ((hugs))

  7. I have read this sometime back when I was looking for some info on Islam. It is really interesting to learn about stories in all religions. They whys and hows.

    Eid Milad an-Nabi 🙂

  8. Hi thanks for a great post. I’ll be back 🙂

    • nik
    • March 10th, 2009

    Those two are not the only verses which specify Aisha’s age at the time of marriage.

    There are quite a few others as well such as Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234, 5:58:236, 7:62:64, 7:62:65, 7:62:88, Sahih Muslim 8:3309, 8:3310, 8:3311 and Sunnan Abu Dawud 41:4915, 41:4917.

    One of your evidence quotes the historian Tabari.
    This is a verse from Tabari IX:131
    “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.”

    Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim are regarded as the two most reliable hadith collections.Each verse above explicitly states ,as narrated by Aisha herself, her age at the time of marriage and at the time of consumation of the marriage.
    So are these in your own words ‘ some horny man who have fabricated so as to justify their act…’?

    Now coming to your evidences-
    None of the evidences explicitly state the age.
    1)” Ever since I can remember (or understand things) my parents were following the religion of Islam.”
    This is tantamount to saying that she was born sometime before her parents accepted Islam but she can only remember them practising Islam.

    This is a fallacious reasoning . If she remembers her parents following Islam only, that means she was born after the Call and not before. If she was born before there is a chance she remembered her parents following something else.

    2)Evidence by Maulana Muhammed Ali
    It does not state when she was born. Again it is only guessed. As stated above Aisha could have born only after the Call. The evidence only states she was born sometime between Call and six years after it. There is no explicit mentioning of dates. Taking the higher end , she would much less than 14-15.

    3) Based on Asma’s age.
    If this was true, it would mean Aisha was born before the Call. But evidence by Maulana Muhammed Ali( and provided by you )states she was born after the Call.
    There are contradictions in the evidences provided by you.

    4)Battle of Uhud.
    There is no evidence clarifying any age. Only guesses based on work done.

    Have you analyed these evidences yourself? Two of them contradict each other.

    You have said that verses, even in Bukhari , are not proof of their credibility. But the evidence that you have given is also based on hadiths and biographies. So why are these proofs credible? Or do you regard only the verses which are inconvenient as not credible ?

    You have not given any proof which states the ages explicitly.It is widely accepted,even by Ismalic scholars ,that the ages were indeed 6 and 9.

    I also await your responses on the other post.

      • afshan
      • June 4th, 2009

      ok nik i suppose u r a hindu.so can u say why lord krishna married 16000 wives.is it justified in any way marrying 16000wives.so imagine how many children he must be having.may be the figure reached millions.how can he memorize the names of his kids.forget about kids,he cant even memorize the names of his 16000 wives.so first look at ur religion then get ur nose pointed towards others.whether bibi ayesha was 9 or 15,it doesnt matter.what matters is she attained puberty and she had a relation with her husband and not her boyfriend like today how its happening everywhere.what matters is she was a chaste lady.after the death of the prophet she stayed for 50yrs in spirituality and doing good deeds and for the cause of islam.

  9. Ahhh, Nimmy, you’ve allowed a tremendous amount of woman-hating in this post. From your copy-pastes:
    “The current charge that Muhammad took his third wife, Aisha, when she was a minor is based on apocryphal traditions.”
    —Is Sahih Bukhari apocryphal?
    —Why do you accept the word of this man, Zahid Aziz, over the word of the “Mother of Believers” herself?

    “Aisha was an exceptionally intelligent and astute woman,” therefore “it is simply preposterous and outrageous to suggest that she was the victim of some form of child and marital abuse.”
    —Do you agree that no woman who is a victim of abuse can possibly be intelligent?

    “Isioma was … factually incorrect” to say that Mohammed would not want one of the Miss World contestants as a wife because his 12 wives “were modest, courageous, independent, outspoken, righteous, patient and loyal.”
    —-Is there reason to believe that the Miss World contestants are not all these things?

  10. Very interesting and informative…
    Happy Holi!!!

  11. P.S. why is that Krishna’s 100 wives (or is it more?) does not create a stir but Mohammad’s 12 does?Also, wasn’t Radha Krishna’s aunt?

      • afshan
      • June 4th, 2009

      which world r u living in.lord krishna doesnt has 100 wives.he has 16000 wives my dear but wat is shocking is that hindus ignore about their lord krishna though they know well about his 16000 marriages,and pull the leg of muslims by talking ill about our beloved prophets 12 to 13 marriages.how shameless r they pointing fingers on muslims rather than themselves and their so called god.

    • Nimmy
    • March 11th, 2009

    Dear Uzaa and Nik,I am not into the usual circus of playing with words and its linguistics and over-the-board meanings that is usually seen while discussing these topics….If you don’t like Prophet,please feel free to disobey him and follow any other religion..But both Hinduism and Christianity wouldn’t satisfy your morals as both of them have not just 9 or 12,but 700 wives and 300 concubines and much so or more than what is countable .It is an easy way out by calling oneself and atheist or an agnostic because to them ‘No questions can be asked and neither will be any answered ‘.. It is your personal choice and I honour your freedom and I expect the same in return.

    There is a huge difference in between questioning to learn and questioning to bash.I encourage the former ,but will discard the later.

    I would like to know if you believe in hadiths as a whole or is it that you like just a few of them-those that qualify to satisfy your whims and fantasies. .Please answer my doubt as it is very crucial in further discussion .If I quote a hadiths on Prophet’s forgiving nature,His tolerance and so, will you accept them or reject them and will you show the same enthusiasm shown here over the three hadiths of age of Aysha?

    To answer your questions..

    @ Uzza

    ***To me Buhkari is just another human being,not a saint or angel . Why can he not make mistakes? And I firmly believe that he have made many mistakes ,those which are easily noticeable as they conflict Quranic spirits.

    ***The words of Aysha are again hadiths,and Zahid Aziz too quotes hadiths ,but the difference here is that Zahid supports his claims by historic refernces as explained in the latter part of his article..So that does make some difference,don’t they ?

    ***Oh well,I had written a post about a survey that shows that the more women get educated,the more abuse the encounter,which is very much true.So that answers this question

    ***No,I don’t believe that bikni women are dumb and burkha clad women are epitomes of inlettligence –but are both parts of the argument completely true??

    I like your questions Uzza 🙂 Indeed a trapeze of words,especially the last two ones 🙂

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    Nik, I have only one answer for you –you are free to belive whether she was 6 or 9 or 14 or 18.. I too,like you,don’t know which HIS-story to believe,but I am not bothered about it as age of marriage that happened 1400 years ago,of two people ,who passed away 14000 yrs ago is not going too bother me,even if it is justified in the name of culture.. And if you think that people practice child marriages because of this hadiths of Aysha getting married at 9,I would humble request you to do more reading on other groups

    Hadith or no hadith,people are going to continue with pedophilia , incest ,teenage pregnancies,abortions ,divorces,forcinations etc etc etc.. To them it doesn’t really matter what is written.

    To answer your question islamically,I have only one answer ,hadiths in no way overrides the Quran. Marriage in Islam is a contract , which is valid only when two grown up people give consent to each other and agrees on the contract.

    The Free Consent of the Parties

    The Qur’an (4:21) refers to marriage as a mithaq, i.e. a solemn covenant or agreement between husband and wife, and enjoins that it be put down in writing. Since no agreement can be reached between the parties unless they give their consent to it, marriage can be contracted only with the free consent of the two parties. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said,

    “The widow and the divorced woman shall not be married until their order is obtained, and the virgin shall not be married until her consent is obtained.” (Bukhari)

    “When a man gives his daughter in marriage and she dislikes it, the marriage shall be annulled.” Once a virgin girl came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said that her father had married her to a man against her wishes. The Prophet gave her the right to repudiate the marriage. (Abu Dawud).

    And by going by these verses and hadiths,there is no chance that a baby of 6 yr old was married off..but then again, I am not really sure,as the hadith you quotes stress that the marriage was consumated only after she had puberty. Islam promotes early marriage as to reduce forcination and also,how can we judge the culture 1400 ago,sitting here in front of PC’s todat at 2009 ..I really don’t know…

    I suggest you to read Chapter 4,which deals with all these affairs..
    http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html

    And here is my post of ‘Muhammad was a pedophile” from a perspective of taking into consideration this hadith.

    https://nimis540.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/muhammad-was-a-pedophile/

    An article on this current perspective,please read it as it may answer your questions on history..

    http://realdeen.wordpress.com/2006/07/30/real-age-of-hazrat-aisha/

      • afshan
      • June 4th, 2009

      nimmy,i agree with u what all u said.i also appreciate u for clarifying the misconceptions regarding prophet muhammads pbuh marriage with bibi ayesha.these guys has no work just to pull on ones leg.neither they do any good things in life nor can they see others doing it.so just care a damn about them.can they say why lord krishna married 16000 wives.is it justified in any way marrying 16000wives.so imagine how many children he must be having.may be the figure reached millions.how can he memorize the names of his kids.forget about kids,he cant even memorize the names of his 16000 wives.so first de should look at their religion then get their nose pointed towards others.whether bibi ayesha was 9 or 15,it doesnt matter.what matters is she attained puberty and she had a relation with her husband and not her boyfriend like today how its happening everywhere.what matters is she was a chaste lady.after the death of the prophet she stayed for 50yrs in spirituality and doing good deeds and for the cause of islam.anyway they give importance to 13 marriages of our beloved prophet but ignore 16000 marriages of their so called god.anyway nimmy continue ur great task.may allah bless u a lot.also plz lemme no whether u r ahindu or muslim.whatever u r,ur work is greatly appreciated.

        • Nimmy
        • June 5th, 2009

        🙂 Welcome to my blog Afshan…

        I am very much aware of all what you mentioned..But I never took the approach of blame-game ( i guess I sticked on to this thought in most cases) ..Because,just becaue,the blame game doesn’t help us,both parties anyway,except for breeding more hate.. To me my religion,to them theirs..Those who have problem with my religion,may ask me anything..If they abuse me,its their problem and not mine..If they spit hate,it shows what kind of a person they are and if I am to reply back in same tone,it doesn’t make any difference between them and me 🙂

        Your points are very much valid..I can bring more masala by adding some facts that Joseph was 90 yrs old when he married Mary,at a young age.. The concubine system among a particular ,overhyped,group is also not a secret..We can find such practices everywhere,but there is no point in pointing fingers..Those who point fingers may please remember that except one,all the four are pointing at you yourself…So chill Afshan ,let them carry on with their hobby of abusing…

        And oh well,I am a petty Indian muslim..(the adjective ‘petty’ because many many fellow muslims accuse me of being a CIA undercover spy,who act as muslim..ha ha)

        come again!!!

        • nik
        • June 6th, 2009

        Classic Tu Quoque.

        I am sure you have would have through the following link. But if not please go through it and you will find more ammunition for your pointless
        Tu Quoque attacks.

        http://www.geocities.com/athens/pantheon/4789/Articles/Scripture/hind.htm.

  12. Bones a correction. Krishna was supposed to have had 16008 wives. Yes it is never discussed as bad point of Hinduism. May be one of the reason is Hinduism is not a religion in a strict sense of term. It is just a collection of practises and beliefs. Also most Hindus accept the fact that many of the practises are out dated and not suited for modern life. So we are changing with times and do not look backward except few from sangh parivar.

    • Oh, I’m sorry…16008 wives is as bad as having a 100…I also agree with you that Hinduism is more of a way of life than a religion but I disagree with you when you say that most Hindus accept the practises are outdated…Stuff like karva chauth etc. are still widely practiced…

  13. i agree to u .. celebrating the prophet’s birthday doesnt seem like haram to me either.
    interesting post since i know relatively little about this particular religion.

    • Charakan
    • March 11th, 2009

    Better not to take apart 6th century scriptures using 21st century magnifying glass. The essence of Prophet’s life and teachings were very progressive in that period. Btw Nimmy I am not able to post comment on Indyeah’s blog. Any technical problem?

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    blogger has some issues every now and then..I too had same pblm with IHM’s and indyeah’s blog..Try after some time 🙂 -Nimmy

    • Milind Kher
    • March 11th, 2009

    Charakan certainly has a point. Let us reflect on the fact that the Holy Prophet (SAWA) was far and away the most progressive person of his time.

    He may not have specifically legislated for the 21st century, but the set of laws he handed down are timeless and need to be constantly interpreted by accomplished mujtahids to understand how they apply in the 21st century too.

    • Charakan
    • March 11th, 2009

    May be blogger problem. Or might have got stuck on the moderation wall Indyeah had asked me to write abt christianity. Wanted to convey to her that as I have no inside knowledge wont be able to do it.

    • nik
    • March 11th, 2009

    I am trying to bash Islam. I am only being objective. The verses which I have given in the above comments are from reliable hadiths.

    “I would like to know if you believe in hadiths as a whole or is it that you like just a few of them-those that qualify to satisfy your whims and fantasies. .Please answer my doubt as it is very crucial in further discussion .If I quote a hadiths on Prophet’s forgiving nature,His tolerance and so, will you accept them or reject them and will you show the same enthusiasm shown here over the three hadiths of age of Aysha? “

    I will accept verses from hadith which show Prophet’s forgiving nature, tolerance and other virtues provided they are from hadiths which are widely accepted as reliable.
    I would also like to ask you whether you will accept hadiths which are critical of the Prophet?

    You have said that Bukhari being just a human can make mistakes. Sure he can. But verses relating to ages are found in all the major hadiths and not just in Bukhari.

    You have said that Aisha could not have been 6 at the time of marriage because of the various rules and agreements regarding consent in marriage as stated in Quran and other hadiths.

    But Quran also states the maximum number of wives a man can have is 4. Yet the Prophet had more than 4 wives. If exception was made in number of wives by Prophet, then why is not possible that exceptions were made regarding consent?

    The culture 1400 years was different. But still marriage between a 54 year old man and a young girl is not compatible in any aspect. And since he called himself a Prophet he should have known better.

    I too would not have bothered about what happened 1400 years ago if it did not affect the soceity today. That marriage set a precedent. Even today Islamic law deems a girl fit for marriage if she has attained puberty.

    “Hadith or no hadith,people are going to continue with pedophilia , incest ,teenage pregnancies,abortions ,divorces,forcinations etc etc etc.. To them it doesn’t really matter what is written.”

    But there are laws which ban paedophilia . Islamic law can sanction it in the name of marriage. Thats the difference.

    “If you don’t like Prophet,please feel free to disobey him and follow any other religion..But both Hinduism and Christianity wouldn’t satisfy your morals as both of them have not just 9 or 12,but 700 wives and 300 concubines and much so or more than what is countable.”

    I dont know what you are alluding to. The practises followed in other religions are irrelevant to this discussion. Even so, polygamy and child marriage are now banned and are rarely performed in other religions. Reforms have taken place in other religions while Islam continues to be rigid and oppose reform.

  14. Happy Birthday to him and Happy Holi to you !!!!

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    🙂 thanks Dhiran 🙂 Hope you had a great holi -Nimmy

  15. Belated happy holi wishes to you Nimmy.. 🙂
    I have read this post but couldn’t understand much 😦

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    **sigh** even muslims don’t bother to understand,so why should you Kanagu ..either one should let go and not bother about tohers issues,or he/she should learn about it and make a comment.. Not many are like you,who refarin from making vague generalizations.. Half-baked knowledge is dangerous.,isn’t it ? **sigh*** -Nimmy

    • Charakan
    • March 13th, 2009

    Bones, Heard abt karva chauth only recently when a relative married a north indian guy. May be equivalent in Kerala is that related to thiruvathira which are followed by less and less no of ppl as years go by. Lack of book of code and ethics is an advantage to hindus as they can easily adapt to modern times

  16. Everyday I check for your new banner. Where is Chirax? 😀

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    🙂 He is with the dentist 😉 -Nimmy

  17. Thanks for all the info about the Prophet’s wives Nimmy. It was interesting to read the arguments by other commentors too. I did not fully understand why God asked the Prophet to marry his adopted son’s wife?

  18. Just one thing that I would like to point out is that the Vedas are our(Hindu) guidelines for leading a good life. All the rituals like karvachauth or sati or child marriage are practices that people chose to follow later on, thats why there are different rituals for Hindus in different regions of India. There is no mention of these practices in the Vedas. Over & Out 🙂

      • afshan
      • June 4th, 2009

      priyanka if u r a practicing vedanthist then sorry to correct u that caste system and sati are part of vedas.though vedaas have got many things similar to the quran yet it is also a manipulated book like all the other books except holy quran.sati and caste system are mentioned in great details in vedaas so just check it out.

  19. Okay, not over & out yet, I always feel like saying some more, so I’ll just say it this time 🙂
    I have always believed that following some of the religious practices brings a certain discipline to life. For ex. a person who does namaz 5 times a day without fail, that person is definitely disciplined, or a person who performs puja every morning and lights a diya before God. Not all the practices need to be out-dated, unless they really and truly don’t make sense in today’s world. I have many muslim friends who do not follow polygamy, it doesn’t make sense to them now. It depends on the individual I guess.
    Okay, now I’m done 🙂

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    Thanks for your great thoughts Priyanka.. 🙂 – Nimmy

  20. a trapeze of words”–beautiful. LOL, my morals are fine with many husbands or wives—the issue is consent. It’s easy to accept the Hadith or Sura as historical records, but not as moral guides. As to Aisha’s age, the historical fact of her age has nothing to do with modern morality. You’re wrong to say atheism is an easy way out; it is the religious person who can avoid moral responsibility by saying ‘the Prophet did it’ or ‘the book says it’. We atheists have to make moral decisions for ourselves, not pass the buck to somebody else. You I think do the same, and don’t blindly follow scripture. In this case, we share a passion for women’s rights, so I was disappointed to see you citing such sources. Here’s what I saw:
    Zahid Aziz began by wasting 700 words to say Aisha was intelligent, therefore she could not have been a victim of abuse. I didn’t really read much further before I posted, and you also agree this is crap. Her IQ and adult personality has absolutely no bearing on what happened when she was young, and the only purpose served by bringing it up is the classic blame-the-victim strategy that says the only women who are abused are those too dumb and slutty to avoid it, unlike good women like Aisha. When a man starts off with such a dishonest and misogynistic lack of logic, he rarely has anything worthwhile to add.

    Whether to believe Aisha herself and all the traditional hadith that support her, or to believe this woman-hater, is a matter of historical interpretation. Reading closer, I agree with Nik that his arguments are not convincing. If he is right Aisha is a liar, (which fits his anti-woman agenda) and that seems to cause more problems for Islam than beleiving her. Aziz makes a distinction between “historical matters” and “practical teachings and laws”; that sounds like something he just made up—how can it even make sense when the laws are based on the examples of the Prophet—is this more b.s. like his dishonest intro?

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    mmm,I agree with you..So called religious people can easily make a way out by putting the responsibility on someobody else..

    The rest, well,I really don’t know ..If she was really that small of age,I think it was not right as a Prophet to do as as He as a leader should have set an example for followers for centuires to come..Today shitty people have sex with minors and lean upon Prophet..but Uzza,how do we know if it was really true,I mean the age ,6,9,14,or 18.. History means HIS-story and maybe we look at it thru different lens… -Nimmy

    • Chirokee
    • March 14th, 2009

    From Swami Vivekananda’s Raja Yoga

    The Yogi teaches that the mind itself has a higher state of existence, beyond reason, a super-conscious state, and when the mind gets to that higher state, metaphysical and transcendental knowledge comes to that man. This state of going beyond reason, transcending ordinary human nature, sometimes may come by chance to a man who does not understand its science; he, as it were, stumbles into it. When he stumbles into it, he generally interprets it as from outside.

    The Yogi says there is a great danger in stumbling into this state. In a good many cases there is the danger of the brain being destroyed, and, as a rule, you will find that all those men, however great they were, who have stumbled into this super-conscious state, without understanding it, grope in the dark, and generally have, along with their knowledge, some quaint superstition. They open themselves to hallucination. Mohammed claimed that the Angel Gabriel
    came to him in a cave one day and took him on the heavenly horse, Harak, and he visited the heavens. But, with all that, Mohammed spoke some wonderful truths. If you read the Qur’an, you find the most wonderful truths mixed with these superstitions. How will you explain it? That man was inspired, no doubt, but that inspiration was, as it were, stumbled upon. He was not a trained Yogi, and did not know the reason of what he was doing. Think of the good
    Mohammed did to the world, and think of the great evil that has been done through his fanaticism! Think of the millions massacred through his teachings, mothers bereft of their children, children made orphans, whole countries destroyed, millions upon millions of people killed!

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    Hi,welcome 🙂

    I don’t agree with you that it is bcoz of Prophet’s teachings that world is in this messy state today..I wonder whether the whole of Nazis or Crusaders or even Bush was inspired by Prophet’s teachings **rolls eyes** Prophet or no Prophet,Religion or no religion,wealthy or not wealthy,people are going to find some or the other reason and make up some excuse to justify their act.. -Nimmy

    • Chirokee
    • March 14th, 2009

    Raja Yoga by Swami Vivekananda has excellent reviews (5 stars) on Amazon

    http://www.amazon.com/Raja-Yoga-Swami-Vivekananda/dp/091120623X

  21. Nik: why should we accept statements “provided they are from hadiths which are widely accepted as reliable”? As we say, “eat shit: ten million flies can’t be wrong.” Better to accept ones that make sense.

    Chirokee: So you let the Swami think for you? Or are you agreeing with what he says? Thinking for myself I mostly agree although on the dude’s birthday it would probably be nice to focus on the good Mohammed has done for the world.

  22. Do keep writing on muslim traditions and concepts. We would definitely like to know more about them. And yes, even I don’t like to celebrate my birthdays. I used to, when I was young.

    Destination Infinity

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    🙂 thanks DI ,willl try to do my small part,but for how long,I am not really sure 🙂 -Nimmy

    • Dev
    • March 15th, 2009

    Blogrolling you!

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    🙂 thanks Dev,I am honoured.. -Nimmy

    • nik
    • March 15th, 2009

    Uzza,

    I agree Argumentum ad populum is a fallacious argument.

    But here we are dealing with historical incidents. The possibility of a hadith being authentic is greater if it is mentioned in reliable hadith collections.

    • Milind Kher
    • March 15th, 2009

    Nimmy,

    After going through all the comments, I went through your post again.

    You have done a magnificent job. Your eloquence, and the way you have quoted the Holy Quran made me feel 10 feet tall. keep it up, Nimmy. You bring a lot of passion to the blog and are extremely visitor friendly. God bless..

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    🙂 thanks for your words Milind..Do correct me when I go wrong.. -Nimmy

  23. That was yet another informative post Nimmy! Thanks!

    • Chirag Chamoli
    • March 16th, 2009

    Happy belated Holi to u too! 🙂 Well not headers are coming soon 🙂 yay!

    • Chirag Chamoli
    • March 16th, 2009

    This was a good read. Thanks for sharing.

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    :)-Nimmy

    • sameer
    • March 25th, 2009

    there is no one like prophet Muhammed S.A.W.

    once the prophet Muhammed said “”I am the sun and Ali is the moon”

    you can see the name of “YA ALI” in the arabian script. check it.

    have a nice day.. brothers and sisters (lovable and respective)

    • Sri
    • October 31st, 2010

    This is begging to be, what?

    The child marriage problem in Islam is not related to Aisha’s age.

    It comes from the verse 65:04. (I hope I got the number right.)

    • Sri
    • October 31st, 2010

    I took a look at Vedas recently. I found out some disturbing similarities between Koran and Vedas. Glad that they were rejected by later Hindus or forgotten or never practiced.

    There was no basis for caste system in Vedas.

    But Vedas are sexist i.e. they were hostile to women like all religious books. Any book hostile to women I can not accept it as holy.

    People who ridicule Hinduism’s stand on women, know that it has no stand at all.

    Before the rapists from Arab lands came in to this country, many parts of India were matriarchal. Read History from Arabic accounts who wrote on Indian social system and position of women in society.

    Some of these Muslims even laughed at Hindu men for giving importance to women so much. Is some argue with me on this, I will happily quote from Arabic books; translated. Read what happened at Somnath temple, for example.

    • Gulam Mohd Qadri
    • February 14th, 2011

    dear brother

    None of us are celebrating the birthday of Prophet we are celebrating the joy which Prophet Mohammad as bought to us and relieve us from suffering of hell

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