Pragmatics between moral police and one’s freedom of expression

“Freedom of Expression ” is in news again and again..Though I had promised myself that I would not give more publicity to M F Hussain,through my blog,I had to,because I was wondering if I had anything more to add than an already published thought.. Wish I could import the old  comments to this post… The post was enriched by my fellow friends.Please read their thoughts here..

Thanks to Solilo for bringing my attention into this news,where women are religiously beating up a girl,in the name of a tattoo.

A Pakistani national, who had come to pursue a course in production from Whistling Woods International Institute in Mumbai, was beaten up at a Malad mall last week for sporting a tattoo in Urdu on her back. The incident scared the girl so much that she left for Pakistan on Friday.

Some women suddenly approached her and assaulted her over the tattoo which read ‘Shukr Alham Du Lillah’, meaning ‘Thank you, God’. They slapped the girl several times before the mall management intervened.

This is a complex issue where people mix common sense with religious sentiments.[As is the same case when SRS mixed common sense with cultural sentiments].Neverthless,questions unanswered will promote further issues and breed more hate.I am trying to look into this,as how I feel it right,please feel free to disagree.

Firstly,my message to those women,who think that they are guardians of Islam-followed by 1.5 billion people..Please mind your own business and bother about your own fate,before you poke at somebody else’s nose .YOUR ‘RIGHT’ ,and ‘WRONG’ is just yours and nobody else’s.If you think that you have the right to trash people based on YOUR RIGHT,please go shut yourself in a cave and never come back..Instead,if you feel that your sentiments,may it be religious,cultural or policitcal,are hurt,talk to the concerned party.If they agree with YOUR RIGHT,be happy and go home,drink a pepsi.If they choose not to agree with YOUR RIGHT,go home tear a pillow and get rid of your frustration and drink a lassi and relax. Just in case you think that Allah has asked you to take role of HARAM POLICE,please know that we the people who understand the real spirit of islam are no longer shikhandis,who are impotent to act and react.No longer acan you delude us by quoting the infinite hadiths which have nothing to do with Islam.So,stop minding others business and if you are indeed worried about the girl’s fate of going to hell because she wore a tattoo,please have the liberty of going home and pray 2 rakat prayer for her .Let God decide it for her-you needn’t take his role.

Secondly,I would like to bring your attention into a more complex topic in muslim world,where people make anything and everything haram(forbidden) ..AS like in every community,muslim world too have a set of people who say ‘chi chi,this is haram’,’chi chi,that is haram’ ,’ chi chi,everything is haram’..They make music haram,they make painting haram,they make eye brow shaping haram,they make television haram,they are hell bent over moral policing people and hence the name ‘Haram police’.In my experience, regardless of what religion it is, you see the righteous become the wicked in their attempts to be more righteous.But among muslims,the issue is more complex,because everybody has a hadith to quote as to claim their stand.To beginners,hadiths are man-written oral narrations relating to words and deeds of Prophet.Hadiths were complied 200 years after Prophet’s death.Putting it simple,hadith is a saying ‘Prohet’s wife’s servant’s brother’s aunty’ said that she saw Phophet saying so”.Hadiths are classified as strong,weak and fabricated.Over years of reading,I have understood that whatever,be it the controversial topics in Islam,it is attributed to hadiths..For eg-stoning is not in Quran,but is there is a hadiths.Hanging apostates is not there in Quran,but in hadiths.and so it goes on.As a muslim,TO ME,Quran is the word of Allah and hadiths are narrations that help me to understand life during Prophet’s time-nothing more,nothing less.Allah says that Quran is complete and it is hard for me to accept that Prophet outsmarted Allah and added his own laws to the religion.Prophet’s duty was to deliver Quran to humans,nothing more,nothing less.So,when people tell me that ‘You have to act this way because it is so in hadtihs’,I fliter it out against the message in Quran.For eg,Quran says that there is no compulsion in religion,but these so called scholars tells you to kill people going out of Islam-what a joke..Quran says that the penalty of adultery is equal for both men and women, and involves symbolic lashing. Social pressure, i.e., public witnessing of the penalty, is the basic punishment (24:1-2) but everywhere we hear about stoning,which again is attributed to hadiths.Such is the complex integration of hadiths to Islamic world,and it will make lot of time to clear the mess.I am not against hadiths,but I am against using a petty narration to formulate a law as serious as life and death.

Ok,that said,now one can trace the anti-tattoo reference to hadiths .The bottomline is not the alter the creation of Allah as it is and not to hurt the body.But I find this logic weird,because the very same people say that piercing ears,as to use earring is not haram as it is a ‘need’ for women.What the hell,who told you that earrings are a need and everything else is not. Beatification of one’s body is one’s personal choice and if I prefer not to wear earrings but have tattoos, will that be fine,because  your need is not my need?Interstingly, everything they say is stupid,bcoz then haricuts would be haram,since you are altering naturally grown hair.Boxing would be haram because it involves harming the  body .The argument of ‘not changing Allahs’s creation’ is absurd..The verse So set thy purpose (O Muhammad) for religion as a man by nature upright – the nature (framed) of Allah, in which He hath created man. There is no altering (the laws of) Allah’s creation. That is the right religion, but most men know not – 30:30) is talking about not changing Quran which is Allah’s creation.I suggest and request people to read something before jumping into conclusions.do you think that by following some random cleric’s fatwa,you are pleasing God?I am sure God will ask you ‘Why did I give you some brain,I am going to punish you for not valuing my blessing’ .As per Islamic rulings,you haram police deserve to be punished

  • 042.040 The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) loveth not those who do wrong.
  • 042.041 But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame.
  • 042.042 The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous.
  • 042.043 But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs.
  • 042.044 For any whom Allah leaves astray, there is no protector thereafter. And thou wilt see the Wrong-doers, when in sight of the Penalty, Say: “Is there any way (to effect) a return?”

I wonder why the police didn’t arrest these women for harming somebody.

Thirdly,personally,I dislike tattoos.Also,they are unhealthy and pose major mental strain when the love for tattoo disppaers the very next morning your lover becomes ‘ex’.But then again,its your choice and you are free to do as you wish,until and unless it infringes my freedom of choice.

Fourthly,what if she had tattooed ‘Allah is crap’ or ‘Muhammad is  a pedophile’..Well then again,I would feel bad but I would never waste my time on these people.If it really bothers me,I would spread awareness of the other side of what the tattoo says,instead of protesting violently on streets.This world is beautiful because of diverse people,and I don’t expect everybody to think like me or accept my version of ‘right’.So I would just move on,until and unless they infringe my freedom of expression.

Then again,it is not appropriate for people to do whatever they want..There is no such thing as absolute freedom of expression.Your freedom ends where mine starts.Yes,you can draw cartoons on Prophet’s sexual and blood thristy,you can draw nude pictures of Hindu gods,you can draw hot picture of virgin Mary with big boobies,you can make a painting on Christ inside urine (Piss Christ),you can keep trying to ban Swastika,you can ban anti-holocaust remarks,as you have the freedom to do so.But tell me where should I drown my freedom,for your sake?

p.s : I don’t find anything great or anything bad in Hussain’s paintings.Maybe I can’t interpret it because of my low level of aesthetic sense..Bad me… :roll :

P.p.s.s. :While browsing net now,though out of the context,I found these holy words “What pathetic men. Nehru a loser drug addict, smoker, womanizing muslim. Ghandhi a pathetic weak, delusional, malnourished, christian. These idiots are the heros that have been forced upon ignorant Hindus by British and secular media.

lolllllllllllllllllllll…Honestly made me laugh..Poor writer,so much of  frstration within him..

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  1. I firmly believe that if something offends a person, they shouldn’t watch/hear it. After all, if it offends them, why should they?

    If they’re worried that it might offend other people, then it’s assuming too much responsibility – others are not so fragile, and nor is one adult the “keeper of another. Being offended isn’t the same as being “harmed”

    If they’re upset that it might offend god, then leave the vengeance to god! (For the record, I’m an atheist).

    So we see that under no circumstance is a person justified in resorting to violence or threats of violence. The freedom of expression is absolute and it’s isn’t really my job to worry about the other people’s sensibilities. After all, anyone can choose to be offended by anything!

  2. Aptly said. The country should be devoid of these fools.

    • Clipped in, Nice comment.. But who will decide that who are fools ?

  3. Poor you, for not having understood that we are a third world country because of these leaders.

    “Nehru a loser drug addict, smoker, womanizing muslim. Ghandhi a pathetic weak, delusional, malnourished, christian. These idiots are the heros that have been forced upon ignorant Hindus by British and secular media.”

    They were short sighted and dim witted…. and so is the country today!

  4. We might look westwards towards the Israelis who are an example of rising from the ashes..
    And how did they do it?
    Simple, no reservation, no minority , no majority, just one nation
    … either you work or you get kicked.

  5. I have nothing to add what Bhagwad Jal Park has put so succinctly: “I firmly believe that if something offends a person, they shouldn’t watch/hear it. After all, if it offends them, why should they?

    If they’re worried that it might offend other people, then it’s assuming too much responsibility – others are not so fragile, and nor is one adult the “keeper of another. Being offended isn’t the same as being “harmed”

    If they’re upset that it might offend god, then leave the vengeance to god! (For the record, I’m an atheist).

    So we see that under no circumstance is a person justified in resorting to violence or threats of violence. The freedom of expression is absolute and it’s isn’t really my job to worry about the other people’s sensibilities. After all, anyone can choose to be offended by anything!”

  6. Great post sister… even though I have read this already in your blog.. its refreshing to read it again 🙂 🙂

    and congrats on the blog adda pick 🙂 🙂

    • PG
    • March 17th, 2010

    Very strange. Just like you said, why didn’t the police do something for their misbehaviour. The girl should have filed a case against them. She was polite enough to even say sorry.

  7. Hi Nimmi,

    Coming to your blog after a long time… How have you been?

    Well, freedom of expression is one topic which is difficult to explain or rationalise. One good quote which conveys a whole lot is: “My freedom ends where your freedom begins; and that demarcating line differs for different pairs of people.”

    • Nimmy
    • March 18th, 2010

    Thanks Bhagwat,IHm, Banargee,PG, Clipped.in,Kanagu and Pradeep… Your thoughts are indeed valuable..

    Banargee,you picked the wrong example.. I admire Isreal for the industrial stability and power they ahve..But with so much of money and political support from world powers,any dumbo can become what they are now..Provide Ghana or Sudan what they get now,they may become more powerful than Isreal 🙂

  8. Freedom of expression was discussed thread bare before and I do not have anything to add as nothing has made me change my opinion.I agree completely with Bhagwad and IHM. As time passes and the insecurities of followers of religion decreases they may be able to appreciate art work as art work.

    • noha
    • September 21st, 2010

    from a muslim girl
    to whomever wrote these words

    dear writer,
    i can see what you mean and i want to judge your topic(not your character),although i dont care judging yours ,it is not my right as my religion TOUGHT ME, it was stated in quraan(lakm denakom w lya deen)it dous mean you have what you got and i have mine..with no interffering,also (eza khatabhm l gahlon ,kalo slama) which also does mean that if an ignorant speakes you ,you shall leave in peace dont harm him and dont answer him ..
    but dear i guss i have to interfear and judge your work as you did the same with me:

    and i will exclude my self as being a muslim and just talk with you from a purly objective point of view.

    first , you judge the whole by judging a single or even 100 action..
    for example ,we all know that hunderads of violence actions are being commited in the streets of USA ,can i say that the whole Americans are killers!!no one should judge the one for his /her actions not the whole.
    (that is about the first part of these whom was beating the girls)

    secondly,about (haram)section:
    you said that every thing is forbbiden to muslim..dear have you ever read the sentence to its end!!?i wonder none of what you have said is true..give me only one proof!!i am a linguist dear and my studies have taught me to read not only the whole sentece but the whole book..but it seems that you got tired from reading so you have selected some ..
    for examble ,in the islamic creed,its forbidden to say it is forbbiden…i mean we shoudn’t call any thing forbidden the way you said..i bet you no real muslim dare to call any thing forbidden like that!!unless it is stated in the holly quraan (and for record television wasn’t yet invented 1500 years ago)

    let me explain that ,for example..t.v.:
    no thing is forbidden but the way you do use it is which decide..watching tv to see some thing useful or for entertainment -the good entertainment- is great and god reward you so here tv is source for (hsanat) i mean rewarding or may be the way to yhe paradies.but if you do watch a porn movie-for example-,that is what is called (haram) i mean forbidden..(and for record,if you repent,god will accept it and will reward your repentance by converted all your sins-you have done before the repentance to rewards)

    so ,there is no thing forbbiden it is just our action in dealig with it is what decide.
    and you can use this as a criterion for all other staff.

    finally i want just to tell you some thing ,you said mind your business ,but you did’d do this..you became what you hate most..

    thanks,
    noha

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