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Some thoughts on comments on ‘Hindu terrorism”

Hi friends..Sorry for not replying to any comments..I am little ill and hence find it difficult to sit for long..Though I badly feel like writing a new post on latest news,I am not able to do,as lot of reading is not yet done from my part..A quick run ..

  

According to reports, the state police had initially detained five people. After a preliminary probe, two were let off. What came as a shock to investigating officials was that of the three detained, one was a woman, Pragya Singh, aged between 25 and 30 years. Singh is believed to be a former member of the Durga Vahini, the women’s wing of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad.

 

 

After the arrest of a once-fiesty sadhvi with links to saffron groups, the Malegaon bomb blast case has taken another serious turn with the possible involvement of ex-Armymen,one a retired major.

 

Post on my views pushed to a later day..Meanwhile please give me little time of yours and notice the flow of thoughts among people,may it be a minority or majority..In fact,I am having a good laugh reading comments section in TOI ..Sharing a few of the laudable ones . 

 

I seriously doubt if a sadhvi was really involved and all this could be fabricated by UPA. Hindus normally do not indulge in such violence. -**cough cough**  🙂 -Nimmy

 

Thiis all the conspiracy which has been created by congrees and their allaince just to divert the issue from development they are making this kind of unwanted things, if their is hindu terrorist group, why are they bring now in front of the people when the elections are in front, i think UPA is trying to creat sympathy. But they dont know that people are taking them serious this time, their is no hindu terrorist groups,it is just to divert the attention for the people..-hmm..wonder what this person had to say a  few days ago -Nimmy

 

Ridiculous .. Its just the political vendetta of the Congress Govt .It just shows how mean and cheap this Govt can go to satisfy its allies like amar singh and lalu Prasad-hmm..maybe you need to look every incident through these lenses..Neither Congress,not Lallu+team,not BJP is your robinhood..They they crave for is power..Their wiseh breed on our agonies..If India becomes a peaceful and harmonious nation,how will these people play drama.. -Nimmy

 

This is a conspiracy against the Hindu organizations. This is thxe last thing we could have expected from UPA govt. Jai Bharat-Oh yeah,I wonder why there happens a pro-Hindu happening everytime BJP is on weak side..and oh yeah ,hindus alone and nobody else are victims of conspiracies,aren’t they ..lol -Nimmy

 

Its amazing how police make awesome progress in this case but not in the Jaipur, Ahmedabad and Delhi blasts..I wonder why? -oh,so you want all or none cases to be resolved !! 🙂 -Nimmy

 

What we were afraid of has happened. Ethnic cleansing of Hindus by Muslim terrorists and UPA govt’s inability to protect Hindus has led to Hindus taking laws in their hands.-You indeed have issues..I pray people like you ,no matter which religion they belong to,die very soon of leprosy ,before you fill or pour your venom into others hearts duh -Nimmy

 

In India, the police, especially that in a UPA controlled state, would do anything if paid-small correction,”No matter which party rules,police will do anythign for money..I pray to God no instance happens in my life where I need police help or assistance.. -Nimmy

 

Media should be just informatics rather than decisive. Media should not encroach the area of judiciary. We should wait for the outcome because media/party is targeting directly to some national party.-Good that  you felt it now..Better late than never..And yeas,pls tell me what are you doing to do about those racist and venemous words said over half-said news ,days before .A criminal is a criminal,Period..But branding a person as terrorist as soon as they are arrested in suspision alone isn’t fair right?Or is your logic applicable in ‘paricular news’ alone?-Nimmy

  

Ho!.. What a great enthusiasm shown by police when it comes to hindu as a terrorist!– 🙂 lol…No comments..Peace -Nimmy

 

 

My request to all my readers..Please don’t mix religion when it comes to criminals..Neither Congress nor BJP,neither SIMI nor VHP are here to save us ,nor are they our robinhoods..All they intend is to act as a choke-starter and ignite fire in our hearts..The references to ethnic cleansing of hindus/muslims, war on Islam/Hindusim, etc etc are terms intented to mess up our fragile minds and make us pawns to achieve their ultimate political or whatever the hell their intention is.Don’t fall their prey..What our nations need today is you and me holding hands and standing together against these terrorists/criminals..Instead,if we try to find conspiracies and say that “My group doesn’t have violent elements” ,it is not going to lead us anywhere..Instead,it will make our life and our nation a disaster..We have stood up together in times of happiness and worries,lets keep doing that and show these pro- religious/well wishers that, we don’t need them..If we don’t do it today,maybe we can’t do it anyday..Until election is over ,we need to make sure neither we,nor  immediate people are ‘ignited’ by these choke-starters.

 

 

Jai Hind..Peace to all..

“No time to complain, time to be wise”

Complaining will not work. We must develop capabilities to counter negative propaganda. To that end, Muslims are realizing the importance of education. A section of the Muslim leadership is working hard towards this. There is a demand that government provide schools, instead of more police stations.It is time for Muslims to be wise and not reactionary. We need to understand the new, emerging India. This is not being visionary. The point is that even a madrassa education can be of help. One only has to look at successful madrassa graduates, especially those from Falah, Islah, Nadwa and Deoband, to see how they moved on to modern universities and secured jobs.

The government is no longer the sole creator and provider of jobs. The private sector has thrown up opportunities like never before. Here the scope for discrimination and biases is minimal. When an India of opportunities seems to be round the corner, it is futile for educated Muslim youth to indulge in mindless violence and miss the bus of progress and development.

 

 

 

 

This article seemed to be a balanced one..I believe its high time that muslims come out of their shells and stop mourning over Islamic history and complain over administrative flaws ,and instead try to move ahead on thier own..When a muslim say “I face discrimination”, I find it lame..Who on earth doesn’t face discrimination? The black face discrimination over the white,the poor over the rich,the educated over the illiterate,the lower caste over the higher caste..Its all there around the world.Rather than complaining about it,we need to look into solutions and work it out ourselves.

 

 

I am not being communal ,i am just trying to see things from my part.Muslims as a whole ,have lot of resources ,in all forms, and if they wish and try hard, in no time, they can make it to the top..Having said that almost all the elite educated and financially-sound muslims left for Pakistan during 1947,and all that was left were poor ones, its great that we still enjoy the current position as of today..I have lived in a few Muslim countries and I can say it loud and clear that life is best in India, where we can practice our faith with all freedom,we learn to respect and accommodate others and learn to move along each other ,learn to celebrate and mourn and feel compassionate for people around us irrespective of caste, color and creed, atleast to a major extent..

 

 

I come from a place where we have a temple ,a church and a mosque in the vicinity of my house..The masjid shares its wall with a hindu family,and for that sole reason alone,the Azan(call for prayer) is not said loud,as usually done through a loudspeaker as not to cause disturbance to them..In the temple, almost all of us (even during our late teens) used to visit temple, just for the sake to grabbing some sandal paste..The priest knew us,as we are from the very same locality,and he’ld smile and give us some sandal paste as soon as we enter..I remember the first time I went there..Me and my cousin had no idea of what to do and we were so afraid of being recognized as non-hindu..We observed people walking around temple and tried to do the same way..And finally when we stood near the deity with folded hands ,waiting for ‘prasad’ in banana leaf,the priest said,’Oh,you want sandal paste’ 🙂 It was a few years ago. Still it remains as fresh as it happened yesterday. Same way,our masjid used to have non muslims listening to speeches on fridays..and everybody were free to visit the church anytime.. I am afraid, such level of tolerance from both sides cannot be seen today.I don’t see any of my cousins today interested in going to temple..I don’t see any non muslim interested in listening to sermons in masjids..When and why did the whole spirit fade away..?

 

 

Educated muslims can do lot of wonders..I still hold the strong belief that ‘terrorists’ are made out of circumstances.. If a person if rightly educated and spiritually informed-the right way, no person will bother to go and blast bombs every now and then..I wonder when will people wake up and see things for themselves and understand that the whole Islamic terrorism and Hindu terrorism have nothing to do with religion ,but that people with vested interests are making use of people and religion and the whole world is dancing to their tunes..Unless we wake up and fight for ourselves and our kids, nothing good is going to happen..

 

 

If Muslims bother to pay Zakat properly, I guess a major portion of the community will benefit from it..But I doubt how many of them pay Zakat correctly.. The rule is to pay 2.5% on annual savings,on gold above 85 grams and like..If zakat was being distributed to deserved people, I believe things can take a change in the right direction. Lot of financially sound muslims can afford to educate children from the other side,lot of muslim entrepreneurs can manage to accommodate jobless muslims guys/gals..Overall,I believe self introspection within the community and working out solution will make lot of difference, in the right direction..

 

 

Its high time muslims stop looking at politicians to do something for them..Aren’t we capable of doing it ourselves.I am not ranting about making a society aloof from the rest..But if the is a sincere try,from all sides ,we need no reservation,no appeasement(if there had been any literal and practical muslim appeasement,i believe muslims would have become Tata’s and Birla’s long time back.What we see and hear is paper appeasement). As far I see it,it is a propaganda to blame muslims of being conspiracy makers and against administration. .Me as a muslim appreciate what the government and administration is doing for me.. By believeing in the said propaganda, people are trying to sideline themselves.. By doing so, we are doing more harm to ourselves.. Just for instance, alongside with protesting for rights of  accused students ,who are jailed labeled terrorists, why not empathize PUBLICLY for the policeman who died then..When protesting against Danish cartoons,why not talk against M F Hussain who hurts people’s sentiments..I believe that such small acts of goodness will do wonders in building mutual confidence.. Afterall, we all care for each other right?

 

 

Crooked people are trying and winning over their divide ‘n’ rule plan..They want to divide our nation in the name of infinite factors..I strongly believe that both jihadists and Dal guys are just pawns dancing to the tunes of these people behind the scene. No real follower of religion can rape a nun or blast kids into pieces. I wish all of us, and especially Muslims doesn’t fall their prey. Rather than pointing fingers, look into yourself and ask if you, yourself, is right and work on it. When somebody questions you, rather than finding fault with it and getting offended ,reply them the way your religion asks you to..

 

  • For, [true] servants of the Most Gracious are [only] they who walk gently on earth, and who, whenever the foolish address them, [Sc., “with the aim to ridicule them or to argue against their beliefs”.] reply with [words of] peace;[25:63]

 

 

 
That was a long rant..Sorry..

 

Good day to all..

 

P.S

I forgot to mention that even to this day,the assistant in temple,an old lady,comes to our home everyday to pick flowers for the rituals..And deep inside,for no reason,I feel so happy about it..

 

 

“Girl, mistaken for Christian, gangraped, murdered in Orissa: Priest”

 

Rajani Majhi, a 20-year-old girl, was gangraped before being burnt alive by a mob at the church-run orphanage in Orissa’s Bargarh district where she worked, says a senior priest. They mistook her for a Christian.

 

Rajani’s gangrape and murder came on the same day as a 28-year-old nun was gangraped in Kandhamal district and a priest who tried to save her was beaten up and doused with kerosene before both were paraded naked, while a dozen policemen watched.

 

 Rajani was a student in Padampur Women’s College and worked at the orphanage to finance her education. The orphanage, which was set ablaze by the mob, was meant for children of leprosy patients

 

“The mob thought she was a Christian girl but actually she was a Hindu and was adopted by a childless couple. She was working in the orphanage,” said Peter.

 

 

Where are we going?Is this what one calls communalism?Why on earth do you get communal and show your intensity of faith by raping girls and nuns..

  

Few days ago,when I wote about hindu terrorism in Orissa,people labelled me a bored conspiracist,when I told that a nun was raped..Some of my readers said,accuse rape is conspiracy..uh..Read this..

 

38 days later, Orissa govt admits nun’s rape 

Yet another shameful chapter in sectarian strife was added when the Orissa government confirmed on Friday that a 29-year-old Catholic nun was raped by a fanatical Hindu gang on August 25, while the police ignored her pleas for help and looked the other way.

 

Orissa police claimed on Friday they ”received” the medical report — which found injuries to the victim’s private parts and pointed to sexual assault — only on October 1. But doctors have a different story. Dr Sangeeta Mishra, who along with Dr Smita Marandi, performed the examination at Baliguda government hospital on the night of the incident, have a different story.  

  

”We got the requisition for medical examination of the victim at 8.45pm on August 25 and began the examination half an hour later. We did a thorough check and collected samples. Our report was ready within 72 hours, but despite our intimation, police collected it only on October 1,” Mishra told TOI, adding that samples had been sent for forensic tests as well.

 

 It was on August 25, around 1pm, that an enraged mob of over 2,000 people, shouting ”Bharat Mata ki jai”, dragged the nun, who worked at Divyajyoti Pastoral Centre at Kanjamendi village in K Nuagaon, and Father Thomas Chellan (55) out of a house they were hiding in. The duo were brutally beaten up. The nun was taken to a deserted building and allegedly raped.

 

 

 

 

 

 So,WHAT NEXT??

 

 

Edited:

 

I can’t stop getting frustrated reading comments like these

  • it is clearly idicates that the rape accusition is false and it is a planned conspiracy to highlight the issue. How a rape can be commited with out any there was no external or internal injury????
  • The story says: According to the report of the nun’s medical examination, there was no external or internal vaginal injury, but semen was found inside. How is it possible ?. Looks like it’s all stage managed to bring down the Orissa govt. Is it not possible that the nun had Se-x after she was rescued ?. Why did she gave statement to police saying she was not raped ?. It all looks like built up story to demonize VHP and Bajrang Dal. Truth will always prevail. I am surprised how a nun can make such false statements

 

 Can I call them bored conspiracy-unpatriotic losers?

 

“Slay all infidels”..Wow,is Quran so violent???

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (9:29)

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and pay the jizya, then open the way for them (9:5)

 

I stumble upon these verses every now and then..So decided to have a seperate post,instead of messing the comment area,which doesn’t have much readability on its own..

As long as one continue to look at the verses in ISOLATION, they will continue to face this problem of violent Islam.Before we jump into war arena,tell me what will you and me do when we are in a battlefield,fighting for our people and our land..Of course,we are out there to win,bcoz a war happens only when doors of compromise is closed.But will we accompany our enemy to a safe  place if he asks for pardon in between the war?I doubdt how many of us will do that..Well,Allah orders muslims to do so..

  • “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

 

Quran is not a book couriered to Prophet one fine morining..It was sent over 23 years,during various situations..Maybe there is a verse telling you to hold an umbrella ..It may have been sent down during a rainy season..That doesn’t mean you have to hold an umbrella throughout the year.

Surah Tawbah (Chapter 9) containing so called violent verses was revealed in 3 parts

  • The first discourse (vv. 1-37), was revealed in Zil-Qa’adah A. H. 9
  • The second discourse (vv., 38-72) was sent down in Rajab A. H.
  • The third discourse (vv. 73-I 29) was revealed on his return from the Campaign of Tabuk.

Chapter 9 was revealed when the Pagans broke the Treaty. To the Prophet , the enemies were numerous.  Just for believing in One Allah, muslims were tortured while they tortured none.  It was only after Hijarah, the permission For Qital (war) was given against those coming to oppress Muslims. So were some of the wars when people of Makkah came to attack Muslims. It was never to expand, never to take control of a territory or anything like that. It was the simple effort to preserve that light of Islam and to make it visible.

 

Prophet never wished a war with it’s people. It is done for a purpose. If it were for the land and people, Prophet would call himself as the King which they never wished or did, but their aim is to strive in order to fulfill that light.When Islam spread,The pagans of Makkah felt desperate and that was when the treaty was brokenIt is decisively clear that the war was against certain people who failed Muslims’ treaties and aided others against them. Are muslims to be blamed for fighting such people?

 

If Iran has a peace treaty with America and then Iran plots to attack America and they find out through the spies so you are telling me that America can’t break the treaty???

 

Wasn’t it Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) when he conquered Madina,He forgive every single non combatant??Even when some warriors did not fight,they were also not touched!!!

 

Take each of the verse and study the verses BEFORE and LATER to it.

 For example, the Chapter no. 9, is one chapter which is a series of instructions and responses TO the people (disbelievers) WHO violated the peace treatise with the Muslims. It also discusses people who had to consequently strive against such disbelievers, but who chose NOT to (because they were hypocrites).

In the same manner if you look at the verses in Ch. no. 2, you will find that it is for the people who persecuted the Muslims and DENIED them the right to Pilgrimage.In other places you will find that the fighting the disbelievers is to fight against aggression e.g. Why should you not fight the disbelievers in the way of God, when they oppress the weak, the women and children.So the apparent tone may sound to be inclined towards some sort of warmongering. But in actual it is meant ONLY against the aggressors OR the ones who violate the peace treatise.

 

Can I ask you something,if Allah ordered muslims to slay all non-muslims,

1.How come so many christians live in muslim countries??

2.Why there are 80% Non Muslims in India,even when India was ruled by muslims for over 400yrs??

3.Did u wake this morning knowing that there are 1500 million people in this world who want to kill u??

 

The whole of Quran is to be taken in its own context..The same verse applies true whenever such a similar situation happens.i.e.whenever muslims are attacked first,try to make peace/treaty..If they still keep pestering you,go defend yourself..That is what ALLAH says,atleast that is what i understand..

 

Whoever,may it be any individual or group of people,take the Quran and quote it to suit their motives,are only muslims for namesake..

 

What do you do when you go to a battlefield??Eat pizza with them??

 

  • Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not. (2:216)

Most people don’t like fighting, but sometimes it’s the only way to end agression. Maybe you’re so peaceful you won’t do anything to harm those that harm you. But this is even more harmful in the longrun.

 

People quote verses out of context and reference and that distorts the true meaning.However that is never the problem. The biggest problem is that some Muslims conveniently use these verses as and when it suits them. I know that the world rightly looks at what Muslims DO and not at what is in the Quran.By more and more people learning and understanding Islam in the right way,there will be pace on earth..

 

I talk ignoring the facts about oppression against muslims all over the world..Can anybody tell me which Holy book are they using to deal with such cruelity..Tell me what justification can one give for what is happening to women,children,economy of those muslim nations where ‘world police’ went to set things ’striaght’..Can you tell me why they needn’t justify thier acts,unlike we muslims who are set out to talk against sick acts of sick ‘muslims’..So,as far as I understand it,people around,irrespective of caste ,colour and creed are figting for reasons of their own..It is lame to find fault with Quran,bcoz Quran has been here for around more than 1400 years..Do you think muslims grew religious all of a sudden and decided to slay all non believers 🙂

 

P.S:

Just to make it clear that those verses are meant for when in war alone,see these verses:

  • “…If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And (likewise) if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind”(Surah Al-Maaida 5:32)
  • “Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion, nor drove you out of your homes. Indeed, Allah loves those who deal with equity” (Surah Al-Mumtahinah 60:8)
  • “There is no compulsion in religion. The right path has indeed become distinct from the wrong. So whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All Hearing, All Knowing”(Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256)

 

Anybody interested in having a quick overview rather than my long rant,can read this short article

 http://www.islamia.com/surah_009.htm

 

Read what Zakir Naik says about these verses

 

A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.

1. Verse from Surah Taubah

The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:

  • “Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them.”
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]

2. Context of verse is during battlefield

Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:

  • “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.”[Al-Qur’an 9:5]

This verse is quoted during a battle.

3. Example of war between America and Vietnam

We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”. Today if I say that the American President said, “Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.

4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle

Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, “Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them”, during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.

5.Critics find it easy to skip frrom verse 5 to verse 7

6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer

Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

  • “If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge.”[Al-Qur’an 9:6]

The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.

“Court should fix definition of ‘terrorist’: Raj Thackeray”

Reacting to the Bombay High Court’s “terrorist” remark on him on the Marathi signboards issue, Maharashtra Navnirman Sena’s (MNS) chief Raj Thackeray on Saturday said the court should fix definition of “terrorist”.

Very funny..Raj is so upset and feel humiliated just by a reference by the Court..In fact,he has restored to violence many a times,even for the slightest reasons..But can I ask something?Doesn’t the same logic of humiliation and dignity hold true for all those guys/gals who are labelled TERRORISTS ,even before a charge sheet is written against them..We call them by ‘terrorists’ and not by their name..Even if they come out proved innocent,they still ought to live a life as an ‘alleged-terrorist’..Anybody thought of this anytime?Recently,we all diged into Arushi murder case,and we all cursed and ditched the father..Ha ha,now the father has come out proved innocent..How long will it take for him to erase the humility on this name ‘murderer’..Aren’t we humans expected to behave in a humane way..Why are we so inhumane?Shouldn’t we give them a chance to prove themselves,before they get labelled by us-the moral police..