God created all of us , then who created God??

My blog friend Indian Pundit has an interesting post A Question to All Religious People

He asks “God created all of us , then who created God??”

Interesting question,which I never thought about till this day..Well,this is my answer..

If I say – for the sake of argument – that someone created Allaah, then you would ask me, Who created the creator of the creator? Then, who created the creator of the creator of the creator?! And so on, ad infinitum. 🙂 What do I do then?

I am not able to compare Allah to His creations. So the question can not be answered as such ,as Allah is completely Exalted and far above mortal description; He is not “like” His creation.

My undertsnading of “Who created Allah is based on the below chapter

Translations of the Qur’an, Surah 112: AL-IKHLAS (SINCERITY)

Total Verses: 4 Revealed At: MAKKA

  • 112.001 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
  • 112.002 Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
  • 112.003 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
  • 112.004And there is none like unto Him.

Well,to be honest,thatz all I know and I have never thought of such a question till this moment of my life.. 🙂

Please share your thought..You don’t need to be a religious person to answer this question,right?

Thanks for the post IP 🙂

When the disbelievers (those who don’t believe in Allah)come to you and ask you if you believe in God, you would logically reply: “Yes.”

Then they would ask you: “Can your God do anything?”

You would say: “Yes.”

Then they would ask you: “Can your God make something huge?”

You would say: “Of course.”

They would say: “Can your God make something so big that nothing can move it?”

Then you would say: “Yes.”

Then they would say: “You mean that your God could make something so big that nothing could ever move it?”

Again, you say: “Yes.”

Then they say: “So big that even your God can’t move it?”

Now you have a problem. Either you answer: “Yes.”

They will say: “Then that means your God cannot do everything. Because now there is something that your God cannot do. He cannot move the object.”

But if you answer: “No.” They will simply say: “Then this is something that your God cannot do.”

This is a similar problem to the one you have mentioned. This is the idea of a god that is having problems with his own creation. The concept of Allah in Islam is that He is never compared to His creation. He merely says: “Be.” And it is. So, Allah does not operate like a human or anyone or anything within His creation. Within the laws of creation is the rule that nothing moves except that there is a fulcrum, a lever and a force. Allah does not have to use a fulcrum and lever to move anything. One of His attributes is that He is “Al-Qawiyy” (The All Powerful).

So, He is the Power. He does not come under the rules of His creation. He makes the rules. He operates within His own rules; He changes His rules as He pleases, and according to the way He deems fit. That is the understanding of the Muslims. Read more

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  1. The argument in the end (about creating something heavy) is a crude implementation of what we call the Russel’s paradox in mathematics. It goes like this.

    1. Create a set A such that it consists of all things that do not belong to itself.
    2. Does set A belong to itself?
    3. If yes, then by definition A cannot belong to itself
    4. If no, then by definition it belongs to itself and we have a paradox.

    Russel tried to create a unified mathematical system along with whitehead to avoid just such paradoxes when Kurt Godel brought the house down on them in 1932 – but that’s another story.

    But as far the argument goes, the paradox when it applies to god can’t be solved by saying he/she isn’t human. Because when god is talked about, he/she is invariably given human characteristics like strength, wisdom, goodness etc. So if one needs to continue to believe in god, one must find another way to answer the question.

    But I find it rather abstruse. There’s a better paradox regarding the contradictions involving god. Here it is:

    Question: Are certain acts good or bad because they themselves are good or bad, or because god says they are good and bad?

    1. If they are good or bad just because god says so, then tomorrow god can change any act from good to bad and vice versa. After all, god can do anything. But this goes against our instincts. We feel that no matter what god says, things like rape and murder will always be wrong. So this can’t be.

    2. If acts are inherently good and bad in and of themselves, then god has no say in the matter. In which case, it must be concluded that there is a consideration above god that determines the goodness or badness of something. In which case god is not god since there is something above him/her.

    Mathematically speaking, the idea of god is fraught with danger. Paradoxes like the Russel’s paradox and the morality paradox make defending the concept of a supreme creator very tough indeed. As you yourself noted, the idea of another entity creating god leads to an infinite regression.

    • In case you’re interested, the formal term of the morality paradox above is the “Euthyphro dilemma”

  2. Oh, I did ask this question to myself and a lot other religious friends I know. I still havnt got a relevant answer and they called me stupid back then.

    Its like asking which came first, chicken or egg !

    Another such question – when did time start ? I mean, imagine the world was created yesterday; so what was the time the day before yesterday ? Confused, huh? This is what I do to my colleagues at times ! 😀

    • From what I understand of this, the space time continuum was created by the big bang. Time itself came into existence along with it. So to ask what there was “before” is meaningless since the word “before” implies the existence of time prior to an event.

      Mind boggling eh? Our brains can’t fathom anything it hasn’t experience itself. All our imagination is taken from what we have already experienced. For example, I can imagine a 30 ft tall green monster with teeth and three eyes which doesn’t exist. But I have experience the concepts of short/tall, the color green, eyes and numbers – all of which combine to give me an imaginary number.

      But we’ve never experienced anything like “no time” or “no space” so we can’t imagine what these will be like. We can only talk about them intellectually but can’t feel them in our gut.

  3. Oh I hv pondered over this so many times too .. but then, given it up 😛

    • sunder
    • May 17th, 2010

    i feel religion, GOD are all man made…..

    We all know there is some power beyond us….and we denote that as GOD…..Religion, GOD are all faith , belief……

  4. To me it is simple, there is some omnipotent force..beyond us ..and that is GOD…and you live realising everything is not under our control…

    WHO has created this body? i think the functions going inside our body is the most fascinating aspect. functions of heart, liver etc etc..who created? hm

    Whether there is one GOD or multiple GODs does it make any difference ..so long everybody believe that there is GOD,it is all fine…

  5. “Thanks for the post IP”

    You are welcome.
    Its great Nimmy.

    By the way ,r u satisfied with the answer?

    Keep discovering and keep reading 🙂

    Take care.

  6. Hi Nimmy

    “”I do not compare Allah to His creations. So the question can not be answered as such ,as Allah is completely Exalted and far above mortal description; He is not “like” His creation.””

    i am NOT comparing God with his creations. My question is simply:

    Who created God? or rather How did he came into existence?

    Take care.

    Note: Plz answer it in my blog.

  7. We created God just like we created religion…

  8. Since the dawn of mankind, we have looked to the earth and to the sky for guidance, and our innate thirst for guidance has caused us to conjure up deities and mythologies in order to quench that thirst…These omnipotent figures were basically created to bring order to chaos…That’s why I maintain that God was created by us…

  9. I agree with Sraboney – I feel we created god and religion with very good intentions but unfortunately both are open to misinterpretation. Those who benefit from religion are the kind and good souls who listened to their conscience anyway, and those who were supposed to become god-fearing don’t care about the consequences of their good or bad actions.

  10. I don’t have an answer to this.
    Maybe because my belief in that Supreme Being is complete and that as Bhagwad sir mentions, there is no “before” concept with either Time or God (for me anyways)

  11. I guess it is typical human mentality. The parable put in the post is like typical chicken/egg question. These are statements of logical fallacy.

    I am not sure how the parable or answer to that parable explain the concept of Allah.

    Chapter 112 might reveal a bit, but I can suggest a better chapter to know the nature of Allah, hey don’t worry, it is also a small chapter.

    Read esp. the verses 6 and 7 from 98. They give the concept of Allah from infidel point of view.

  12. Recently a Hindi movie is being shot in a Mosque in Kapurthala(Punjab) which is not being maintained by wakf board but by Dept. of archaeology as Mosque was considered a a monument.

    This small incident is enough to bring out the ever ready frantic mobs on to the streets for violent protests. As usual administration stepped in and craved in to those demands and stopped the shooting and filed a case against movie management despite the fact that producer took permission and deposited Rs 21,000/- with Dept of Archaeology.

    After this Muslim crowds claimed it as a victory to Islam and shouted death to Kurfistan. (Kurf means disbelief in Islam)

    How much of our media reported this incident as it happened. It looks like Pakistanis report this kind.

    In another incident Indian Muslims demanded that facebook be banned in India too after it was banned in Pakistan. This too was not mentioned in our Media and I read from Dawn and Lahore times.

    I guess next demand of Indian Muslims will be to support a group in USA which is planning to construct a 13 storied mosque at Ground zero in New York as a token of Islamic sympathy for 9/11.

    I wonder how would Muslims world wide would feel if Hindus say that they should be allowed to construct a temple at Babri site as sympathy and protest towards what happened on Dec 6, 1992.

    Hey, wait, I will be accused of generalizing those demands by few radicals, right and will be reminded again that those few people do not represent entire community.

    But, I did not say that those few people represent the entire community. Then I vehemently affirm that those few people are following Koran to the core.

    I guess whether (Muslims) they are in majority or minority they demand that their sensitivities should be respected or else threaten with violence and intimidation.

    Do Muslims respect the sensitivities of Non Muslims? They do not have to and they will never do as they are following only Koran (which is their right), which explicitly tells them to subjugate Non Muslims and uses the most uncivilized language against Non Muslims and their beliefs.

    This is supremacism of Islam.

    Violence really works in politically correct environment. But still we see nagging complaints about victim hood from them, like this blog.

    with regards

  13. Strangely God doesn’t seem to interfere with the rules he has set for his creations! That’s only my unqualified observation!

    Interestingly, there does seem that rules are existent. Like Ice becomes water when heated (and not coal or anything else!). The take of Science on matters like this is even more appalling. That’s one reason I feel Science is more of an intelligent observation. We have just been able to use certain laws of nature to our benefit. But we have never been able to bend them or change them. Even with Science. Sometimes, religion seems mature enough to understand that we cannot do such things!!

    Destination Infinity

  14. I always mention this in many discussions I take part.

    Horrible condition of minorities in Islamic countries, particularly of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh.

    Hindus constitute 1.6% (I thought it is 1.75%) of Pakistan’s population.

    Forget about the whole ethnic cleansing, just read the below post (link).

    Some small points I had like to mention before putting the link are:

    1. There are 2 Hindu officers in Pakistan’s army (Both are doctors).
    2.There are no senior civil bureaucrats from Hindus in entire Pakistan.

    I am not surprised because for 1.6%, 2 officers is genuine, I will be told.

    Any way below article is like white wash, it does’t tell every thing, but never the less it gives good info. Here is the link:

    http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2010/03/hindu-sikh-minorities-in-pakistan.html

    • H.S.Pal
    • November 12th, 2010

    IF GOD CREATED THE UNIVERSE, THEN WHO CREATED GOD?
    Earlier it was impossible for us to give any satisfactory answer to this question. But modern science, rather we should say that Einstein has made it an easy task for us. And Stephen Hawking has provided us with the clue necessary for solving this riddle. Actually scientists in their infinite wisdom have already kept the ground well-prepared for us believers so that one day it becomes possible for us to give a logically consistent answer to this age-old question. Let me first quote from the book “A Brief History of Time” by Stephen Hawking:
    “The idea of inflation could also explain why there is so much matter in the universe. There is something like ten million million million million million million million million million million million million million million (1 with eighty zeroes after it) particles in the region of the universe that we can observe. Where did they all come from? The answer is that, in quantum theory, particles can be created out of energy in the form of particle/antiparticle pairs. But that just raises the question of where the energy came from. The answer is that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero.”
    Here the question stops. So the clue is this: if we can ultimately arrive at zero, then no further question will be raised, and there will be no infinite regression. What I intend to do here is something similar to that. I want to show that our God is a bunch of several zeroes, and that therefore no further question need be raised about His origin. And here comes Einstein with his special theory of relativity for giving us the necessary logical support for our project.
    God is a Being. Therefore God will have existence as well as essence. So I will have to show that both from the point of view of existence as well as from the point of view of essence God is zero. It is almost a common parlance that God is spaceless, timeless, changeless, immortal, all-pervading. Here we are getting three zeroes; space is zero, time is zero, change is zero. But how to prove that if there is a God, then that God will be spaceless, timeless, changeless? From special theory of relativity we come to know that for light both distance and time become unreal. For light even an infinite distance is infinitely contracted to zero. The volume of an infinite universe full of light only will be simply zero due to this property of light. A universe with zero volume is a spaceless universe. Again at the speed of light time totally stops. So a universe full of light only is a spaceless, timeless universe. But these are the properties of light only! How do we come to know that God is also having the same properties of light so that God can also be spaceless, timeless? Scientists have shown that if there is a God, then that God can only be light, and nothing else, and that therefore He will have all the properties of light. Here is the proof.
    Scientists have shown that total energy of the universe is always zero. If total energy is zero, then total mass will also be zero due to energy-mass equivalence. Now if there is a God, then scientists have calculated the total energy and mass of the universe by taking into consideration that there is also a God. In other words, if God is there, then this total energy-mass calculation by the scientists is God-inclusive, not God-exclusive. This is due to two reasons. First of all, even if there is a God, they do not know that there is a God. Secondly, they do not admit that there is a God. So, if there is a God, then they have not been able to keep that God aside before making the calculation, because they do not know that there is a God. They cannot say that they have kept Him aside and then made the calculation, because by saying that they will admit that there is a God. At most they can say that there is no God. But we are not going to accept that statement as the final verdict on God-question, because we are disputing that statement. So the matter of the fact is this: if God is really there, then scientists have shown that both the total mass and energy of the universe including God are zero. Therefore mass and energy of God will also be zero. God is without any mass, without any energy. And Einstein has already shown that anything having zero rest-mass will have the speed of light. In other words, it will be light. So, if God is there, then God is also light, and therefore He is spaceless, timeless. So from the point of view of existence God is zero, because he is spaceless, timeless, without any mass, without any energy.
    Now we will have to show that from the point of view of essence also God is zero. If there is only one being in the universe, and if there is no other being other than that being, then that being cannot have any such property as love, hate, cruelty, compassion, benevolence, etc. Let us say that God is cruel. Now to whom can He be cruel if there is no other being other than God Himself? So, if God is cruel, then is He cruel to Himself? Therefore if we say that God is all-loving, merciful, benevolent, etc., then we are also admitting that God is not alone, that there is another being co-eternal with God to whom He can show His love, benevolence, goodness, mercy, compassion, etc. If we say that God is all-loving, then we are also saying that this “all” is co-eternal with God. Thus we are admitting that God has not created the universe at all, and therefore we need not have to revere Him, for the simple reason that He is not our creator!
    It is usually said that God is good. But Bertrand Russell has shown that God cannot be good for the simple reason that if God is good, then there is a standard of goodness which is independent of God’s will. Therefore, if God is the ultimate Being, then that God cannot be good. But neither can He be evil. God is beyond good and evil. Like Hindu’s Brahma, a real God can only be nirguna, nirupadhik; without any name, without any quality. From the point of view of essence also, a real God is a zero.
    So, why should there be any need for creation here, if God is existentially, as well as essentially, zero?
    But if there is someone who is intelligent and clever enough, then he will not stop arguing here. He will point out to another infinite regression. If God is light, then He will no doubt be spaceless, timeless, etc. Therefore one infinite regression is thus arrested. But what about the second regression? How, and from whom, does light get its own peculiar properties by means of which we have successfully arrested the first regression? So, here is another infinite regression. But we need not have to worry much about this regression, because this problem has already been solved. A whole thing, by virtue of its being the whole thing, will have all the properties of spacelessness, timelessness, changelessness, deathlessness. It need not have to depend on any other external source for getting these properties. Thus no further infinite regression will be there.
    H. S. Pal

  15. Hi All, I was searching and found the logical
    answer of the question “who created the God” on
    umuslim.com, a muslim social network website here

    http://umuslim.com/links/who-created-god-dr-zakir-naik-answers-peacetv

    the question is properly answer on the link above.

    Asma

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