‘Terrorist dry run test on Kingfisher” and the art of turning a ‘Muslim-explosive’ to a ‘Nair-crude stuff’
Some news,as and when they happened…
Suspected explosive found on Kingfisher flight
Thiruvananthapuram, March 21 (IANS) A security alert was sounded at the airport here Sunday morning after a suspected explosive was found in the cargo compartment of a Kingfisher flight that arrived from Bangalore, police said.[More...]
Kingfisher plane explosives: Police still clueless
22 Mar 2010, THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: A day after a cocktail of explosives was found in the cargo section of a Kingfisher plane in Thiruvananthapuram, police on Monday were still clueless as to how it reached the aircraft despite multi-layered security checks.Kerala Director General of Police Jacob Punnoose said the probe is on but there has been no breakthrough yet.[More…]
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Was Kingfisher bomb a dry run of Indian Mujahideen?
By R Shankar, India Syndicate, 22/03/2010
Bangalore: The small amount of a cocktail of `harmless’ explosives found in the cargo section of a Kingfisher flight after it landed in Thiruvananthapuram from Bangalore on Sunday has thrown open the possibility of this being a dry run by one of the sleeper cells of the Indian Mujahideen based either in Bangalore or Kerala.
The smuggling of the explosives could have been used to test the possibility of planting a bigger consignment at a later date – either on the same sector or elsewhere. Such test runs are commonly done by the sleeper cells of the IM backed by the Lashker-e-Toiba (LeT).
It may be recalled that Abdul Latif Rashid alias Guddu (29) and Riyaz Imtiaz Ali alias Rehan (22) who were picked up by the Mumbai police last week had managed to make entry points into the ONGC building through `contacts’. The had planned to trigger a fire at the ONGC tanks in Bandra and spread panic in Mangaldas Market in South Mumbai and Thakkar Mall in Borivali.
Such contacts may have been `cultivated’ in the present Kingfisher case too considering the fact that the explosive packet managed to find its way to the high security cargo hold. This at a time when the Bangalore International Airport is on high alert following an intelligence missive recently.
The needle of suspicion is now on the loaders and the incharge of the cargo hold in Bangalore and Thiruvananthapuram. Did the IM cultivate an entry point in Bangalore or Thiruvananthapuram? It looks like the IM or one of the sleeper cells has been able to cut through the high security ring. That begs the question: How come the explosives managed to go through the mandatory security checks for cargo handlers. Was it planted along with some other cargo material? Since there were no cells or detonators devices, it could have slipped through other cargo pieces.[More…]
Bomb in flight: No clarity, only theories about Kingfisher whodunnit
MK Madhusoodan / PTIMonday, March 22, 201
Bangalore: The day after an explosive was found on board a Kingfisher flight, there was little clarity on what had happened and who was responsible. While the investigation team was grappling for answers, what emerged were theories.
Among those was this: The planting of the crude bomb on Kingfisher flight IT-4731 from Bangalore to Thiruvanathapuram was an attempt to hijack the flight.The theory suggests a Kandahar-type hijack to force the release of Indian Mujahideen extremists in Kerala jails. “The theory has gained strength as the bomb was found next to the food and beverages galley in the rear of the aircraft. The luggage in this type of aircraft (ATR) is usually next to the cockpit and accessibility is limited to those performing loading and unloading duties,” a senior intelligence bureau officer said.
“The placement of the bomb next to food trays reveals someone was assigned to threaten the crew to divert the flight to a safer place outside the country, to bargain for the release of some of the elements jailed in Kerala.” Security officials said that even caterers would be questioned.
“The hijack could not take place as it looks like an attempt made in a hurry. There was no detonator and this indicates that someone wanted to retrieve the crude bomb and hold it in the hand to threaten the crew and the airport authorities,” an official said.
The agencies looking into security lapses said that there had been warnings about such an attempt a month ago. “But nobody seems to have taken it seriously. The flight had come from Thiruvananthapuram on Saturday night and it berthed at the Bangalore airport. It then flew back on Sunday morning. The bomb may have been placed on the flight on Saturday”.
The suspects could not catch the flight for various reasons. The details of their plan will only emerged after we lay our hands on the suspects that includes the catering staff,” officers in the investigating team said.
Thiruvananthapuram police commissioner MR Ajith Kumar is believed to have got crucial details about the ‘country-made’ bomb similar to those used in the Bangalore serial blasts in July 2008 and other bomb blasts in Kerala. “It is clear from the composition of the bomb, and the way it was wrapped in a Malayalam newspaper and a question paper of a public examination conducted by the Kerala government that it was made in Kerala.[More…]
No breakthrough in Kingfisher explosive case
March 23rd, 2010 Thiruvananthapuram, March 23 (IANS) Police are yet to determine who placed a crude explosive on board a Kingfisher flight from Bangalore to Thiruvananthapuram two days ago, police said Tuesday.
“Investigations are on and we are yet to make any breakthrough,” Kerala Inspector General of Police A. Hemachandran told IANS.He denied speculation that two people had been detained. “No one has been arrested… The media is going overboard.” [More…]
Explosives on flight: Was it just a dry run?
TNN, Mar 23, 2010 BANGALORE/THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: The probe into the recovery of explosive from the cargo hold of a Kingfisher Airlines flight at Thiruvananthapuram airport on Sunday morning made little headway apart from focusing on the possible role of the groundstaff at both Bangalore and Thiruvananthapuram airports.
Intelligence officials believe that it could have been a dry run by some extremist outfit planning a major operation. Officers from IB, RAW and CISF held meetings with Kerala police.
The explosive — containing a sulphur mixture — could have been triggered by heat. That it was kept near an air-conditioned supplementary galley has led some investigators to believe it could have been a dry run.[More…]
‘I know who planted the bomb on Kingfisher flight’
Thursday, 25 March 2010 Bengaluru, March 25: A mysterious caller has been nagging the harried airport police and claiming to have information of the people who planted a crude bomb in the Kingfisher aircraft on Sunday.
Deputy Commissioner of Police (north east) Basavraj Malagatti received a phone call from a Mohan from Mumbai. He claimed that he has filmed the people who had kept explosives in the aircraft.
Malagatii said that the caller informed him that he has converted the recording into a CD and would give it to him if he gets suitably rewarded.[More…]
Kingfisher bomb case: Action likely against CISF
Anti-hijack Act may be invoked
Regional Deputy Commissioner of Bureau of Civil Aviation Security (BCAS) Nambi and CISF Director General N R Das were also conducting internal enquiries into the incident that had national and even international ramifications.
The city police had also quizzed several CISF personnel in connection with the incident. The chances of invoking provisions of Anti-hijacking Act against those responsible for planting the explosives could not be even ruled out, said sources.[More…]
And finally,read ‘SADLY’,
Kingfisher bomb case solved: Police
March 28: Police arrested the cleaning supervisor of a private firm, handling cargo in the airport here for planting a crude bomb on a Kingfisher flight last Sunday.
The cleaning supervisor, Rajasekharan Nair, a native of Nedumangad and a former CISF employee, had reportedly planted the crude bomb in the cargo hold of the aircraft which arrived from Bengaluru because of his personal animosity towards a security official.
Interestingly, it was Nair himself who alerted CISF officials and other security staff that a bomb had been detected in the cargo hold. He apparently believed that the security official he hated would face action for this.
Police sources said that Nair did not seem to have any terror links and was motivated solely by spite. “We have learnt that he served in the CISF for several years before taking voluntary retirement and joining a private agency,” said Inspector General, Mr Hemachandran, who coordinated the probe into the incident.
Nair, who is also the head of a temple committee, had apparently bought the crackers in connection with temple festivities. Though the cracker he deposited in the hold had to be lit to explode, it could also have gone off under high pressure and caused a huge disaster.[More..]
Relatedly,
Three held for sending SMS alert in Kochi
March 14th, 2010 Kochi, March 14 (IANS) Three college students were arrested Sunday for circulating an SMS asking friends and relatives to be careful while venturing out in the city, police said.
“There have been newspaper reports about an intelligence alert to be maintained in the city here and these youths said that they just sent an SMS to their friends and relatives to be careful about a possible bomb blast. So far, our inquiries have revealed that they did not have any other intention. No case will be registered against them,” Kochi Police Commissioner Manoj Abraham told IANS.[More..]
Kerala town tense after a controversial question paper
26 Mar 2010 Thodupuzha (Kerala) The question paper of second year B.Com degree Malayalam course at the Newman College here allegedly had references to the Prophet that the Muslim organisations termed as “misleading and inflammatory[More..]
Teacher held for inflammatory question paper
State Education Minister M.A.Baby said he has instructed Idukki district administration to register a criminal case against the teacher who prepared the question paper.
“The investigation will reveal if it was an error on the part of the teacher or if there was a conspiracy behind it,” he said[More…]
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Would it have remained the same,would all these news have ended the same way ,if it was some Sarafudhin or Siddique,instead of Rajashekharan Nair ,who planted the bomb,say ,for the same PERSONAL reasons ?
Would it have remained the same if the three students who sent fake SMS has muslim names?
Would it have remained the same if it was some Harris or Basheer who wrote that derogatory question paper,say, by MISTAKE ?
Anybody interested to know what was the small mistake the so-called professor did?
Use Punctuation:
Muhammed : “God ,God”.. ( literally ‘padachone padachone’,a term used by muslims to call Allah)
God: ” What is it you son of a bitch”
Muhammed: “God,How many pieces do we get from a cut mackerel”
God : “Dog,how many times have I told you that it is three”
Is it okay for you if the same conversation was written as between Krishna and Brahma,or between Jesus and Holy Spirit?
Forget being religious,I believe that more conversations,more proper ones, are easily available to be used in a graduate course question paper.. Maybe I am wrong..
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The so-called professor must be banned from teaching anywhere.
India has more freedom than our complex country can handle…..
We need to be ruthless with those who intentionally show disrespect to other religions.
Same holds true for Taslima , M.F Hussain etc.Taslima and mr.hussain and people like that professor must be either thrown out or be given stringent punishment.
Its a straight choice between…peace and social order….or….too much freedom.
I choose peace and social order.
“We need to be ruthless with those who intentionally show disrespect to other religions”
which often results in violence, riots and deaths…..if i may add.
“Its a straight choice between…peace and social order….or….too much freedom.
I choose peace and social order.”
Same here IP.. See,thee people on the other side,local muslims in this case,agitated by protesting on road..Protesting is ok.But i am against violence,destroying public property and like,even for the same reason..{peace and order needs to be given the first priority)
“which often results in violence, riots and deaths…..if i may add.”
Exactly what i said now… ITs not ‘often’,but ALWAYS….
The first case is very serious and really shocking and I feel if the fire crackers planter was a Muslim there would have been a bigger uproar.
Same in the case of the the SMS, I think if the students had a Muslim name, they would been in real trouble.
In both the cases they would have been suspected of being associated with terrorists.
About the third one – I guess some of the meaning could be lost in translation, even if it wasn’t… I would be more concerned about the kind of speeches that convince some of us to hate some other ones of us – they cause killings, rapes, arson and rioting.
Nimmy have you heard, ‘Bricks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me’? I only hate and fear, the kind of words that cause hatred and intolerance and result in bricks and stones being thrown. The rest of the words – what Taslima Nasreen wrote, what Hussain painted, what a cartoonist drew – I feel we should learn to ignore what we do not like to see.
None of these writers or painters incited hatred, and I see those who incite violence are against these people for hurting their sentiments. What about the sentiments that are hurt when one’s family is burnt to death? If we are alive we can handle hurt sentiments, we should not tolerate any excuses to incite violence, not even hurt sentiments. If one does have a problem the only recourse should be legal action.
Anyway all these things leave us with little time or energy to fight with the real enemy, and they are those who preach hate politics and intolerance.
I can’t help but notice, all those who preach communalism are the same ones who are intolerant and are the ones who take offense about things that can be ignored – say, maybe after expressing our displeasure.
Those who value and respect peace, love and tolerance, including Gandhi would have never supported our being so sensitive towards hurt sentiments and so indifferent towards hurt humans.
🙂 ((hugs IHM)) i agree with every word you said..May the people who are not blind read this and may light enter into their hearts..
i dont think that a Muslim name would have made a difference. I personally think that there is lots more civil liberty in this country than in so called “Muslim” Countries – even, or rather, especially for Muslims.
just my 2penny.
🙂
True,I have said this loud and clear many many times.But does that liberty prevent me in calling a spade a spade? Or should i remain dumb bcoz some random muslim leader in Saudi or Ghana is doing something..Ha ha ha.
omg! such a racist teacher should be immediately removed.
🙂 You are a teacher,you know it right..
3rd query states if it was haris or basheer……meaning the question was set by a Hindu. the name of the teacher is Joseph…so your assumption is not correct…
as far as your 3rd question is concerned irrespective of any community he was belonging to , the punishment would have been the same…..though one can argue hypothetically that it may be different in bjp ruled states..anyway here it is kerala..
regarding the 1 & 2 nd query..yes it will be different if they were muslim….yes itis very sad..but leaving the emotions aside…one has to ponder..who is to blame for this situation….
“3rd query states if it was haris or basheer……meaning the question was set by a Hindu. the name of the teacher is Joseph…so your assumption is not correct…”
What? 🙄
I asked what if this qstn was set by a muslim, against holy-entities in other religions.The person being a christian in this case is irrelevant.I have seen and is related with more christians than muslims in my life,i know what and how they are.They are the finest polished majority,one joseph being like this doesn’t mean that even a minority holds such venom.
“as far as your 3rd question is concerned irrespective of any community he was belonging to , the punishment would have been the same…..though one can argue hypothetically that it may be different in bjp ruled states..anyway here it is kerala..”
🙂 are you sure of what you are saying? Maybe the court would give the same punishment.What about the so called aam-aadmi and the media,especially the media,which plays a major or whole part in framing conclusion sand judgments in people’s mind?
“but leaving the emotions aside…one has to ponder..who is to blame for this situation….”
Oh well,you can tell me “All muslims are not terrorists but all terrorists are muslims” ha ha,i am done with it. Go ahead,I are the least.
sorry, you are mistaken….i dont hold that view…..All Muslims……..
i am not sure how to to put it….what i meant by saying one has to ponder?
with an analogy…if the manager of indian cricket states , that yesterday nite one cricketer didnt follow the rules and went outside the hotel late in nite…
theories will float ..is it yuvaraj? is it harbajan? why…because of thier past conduct…least suspicion will be on tendulkar or dravid….
in daily life , dont u think we judge by our past experiences only….
yes i agree media has a major role to play….and i feel they have mostly played a role which is not constructive…
I don’t blame media alone..They build stories,on foundations laid by people themselves..
“in daily life , dont u think we judge by our past experiences only….”
Very true,I agree with you and i agree that since muslims have done plenty enough criminal acts ,they are most prone to be suspected..But it is sad and unfair that others are also doing the same crime,under their shadow or name..
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Some people said here too much freedom is disturbing the peace. It is not too much freedom, it is one book which many innocent people call it Holy Koran.
You quote a verse from Koran, Muslims feel insulted.
You show some thing in Hadith, Muslims feel insulted.
Muslims cry foul when some one says about Mohammad or Islam. But how does Koran addresses people of other religions? It calls Jews as apes and pigs, this is taught in Saudi schools and probably in Indian madras as.
It says that idolaters as unclean.
And finally how should Kafirs be treated? The following says:
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Despite all these in Koran, in fact what I mentioned are like tip of ice berg, Muslims take to violence for every perceived insult to their religion. Why because they are told by Koran they are finest and the best people chosen by Allah only God.
It tells them (Muslims) to avoid friend ship with Kafirs. In fact friend ship with a Kafir is like a open proof to Allah for sending that Muslim to hell.
The simple truth is Islam is a religion of totalitarianism, not peace.
🙂 Welcome here 🙂
“and probably in Indian madras as.”..Don’t come into conclusions,before you know it for real..Also,i wonder whether you have been to Saudi ,to check this fact. Apart from the newspapers,I wonder if you have any authentic source of data. Maybe it is true,may be it is false.But why should you have a problem with something that is happening in a far away country? Are we done with solving problems in this nation?or at least a single state?Forget it,you are free to belive in what you think is right,but don’t tell me that your truth is the absolute one.
Regarding the verse you reffered,I suggest you to do some reading,maybe this post will be of some interest to you 🙂
And pls do not engage in conversation ,cut-pasting from random sites ,i am fed up reading and i hardly reply to such copy-pastes..If genuinely,you are interested in talking,sure we will..In the process,I too will learn more.Don’t expect ANSWERS from me,for i am not a scholar,not even a good reader.But sure,I will try my part.If you can come down to that level of conversation,which alone i can afford to,please ,you are most welcome here:)
Above all,I would like yourself to count on your fingers,about how many muslims have you met in your REAL-LIFE who qualify as those you explained in detail.Don’t tell me the number,just make yourself sure that you know what you are typing on the screen..
stuff like this is scary to read.
I rather not.
Your snaps are amazing,honestly..
Welcome to my small world 🙂
First incident show how imaginative some of our journalists are. I wish they fully concentrate on their fiction writing but not in a newspaper.
Abt the Q paper incident. There is no issue of FOE involved here. It is not creative work of an author.I hope exmplary punishment is given to such mischief makers and the School authorities take more care in such incidents.
Hello Madam,
You wrote to me saying you are preparing for your exams.That is why this delay in reply. Any way who cares really.
Your arguments are childish. Do I have to go to Saudi Arabia to know certain things. This news item has come in BBC way back. I am giving you links, if you want you can read. But you already said you are not really fond of reading.
Please every body should read from one of this links, if you can.
The links are:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23384657-we-do-use-books-that-call-jews-
apes-admits-head-of-islamic-school.do
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/feb/06/books.education
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,46610,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4700709/We-must-stop-Muslim-schools
-teaching-that-integration-is-a-sin.html
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5426633
Hello Madam,
I read your link and your comments on the verses 9:5, 9:29. Typical religious mind (attitude) I guess.
Before I go further I want to ask whether you accept the rule (concept) of abrogation that exists in Koran, through the verses 17:86, 16:101, 13:039, 2:106. All most all the scholars of Islam agree on this concept. Esp. classical scholars emphasized that with out abrogation you can not understand Koran.
The I reason I ask you is this, if you do not, half my job is done. It tells me you more or less accepted that Islam is inherently cruel towards non Muslims and it is with doubt any doubt a document for establishing Islamic imperialism in this world. Then I no longer communicate with you directly because it is a waste of my time arguing with people who defy logic and what is right in front of eyes.
On your posts on 9:5 and 9:29 every major scholar of Islam, likes of Suyiti, Maududi, Ibn Kathir and Wahidi disagree with you and your probable mentor Zakir Naik (lier). There are many more I can cite. Zakit Naik knows what these verses are, but I think he is just dissembling. Your own Hadith disagree with you.
I could explain about these verses but I am very busy and I promise I will be sending a e-mail to you in two or three days.
I want to say this 9:5 is not important because when it was reveled to Mohammad it was with respect to Pagans who were idolaters like Hindus. It gave them a choice death or Islam. It was applied in the early Islamic invasions of India, killing Men and taking women as slaves and sex slaves and taking children as slaves. But later they decided that zizya will do it, because Mohammad himself imposed zizya on Zoroastrians. When slave children became adults they (male) were castrated to stop the procreation of Hindus. That was the extent of Islamic cruelty. In fact they were just following Koran, that’s it.
Your argument that when Muslims ruled for 400 years how come Hindus are therein India? Zakir Naik also uses this logic. Probably in your heart you dislike it. To understand this you have to read proper History, not the one by our schools and left liberals which sanitized Islamic barbarianism.
The filth in this country is a lot, they make a martyr out of Tipu Sultan because he fought British. But that bastard was a Islamic bigot to the core. Similar is the case with Akbar. That shameless bollywood makes a movie on Jodha Akbar forgetting that Jodha was one of those 5000 strong sex slaves in Akbar palace. His son kept 6000 strong.
What ever I quote (in the future), I take it from your own Islamic sources like biographies by Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Sa’d, Al-Tabari and tafsirs by Ibn Kathir and Maududi. But you didn’t give a bit of your sources. I guess no proper Islamic material supports your version.
Before I go I will leave some ahadiths here sahih Bukhari, the most respected one.
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 65:
Narrated Abu Musa:
A man came to the Prophet and asked, “A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah’s Cause?” The Prophet said, “He who fights that Allah’s Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah’s Cause.” (4:53:355 also says the same thing)
This is what Jihad is, to make Allah’s law, Sharia law, supreme on this earth.
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 80:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Verse:–“You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.” means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam. (Directly taken from verse3:110, I guess one should read Maududi’s tafsir on this for enlightenment about Islamic Arab Imperialism)
Volume 8, Book 82, Number 802:
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Mas’ud:
I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! Which is the biggest sin?” He said, “To set up rivals to Allah by worshipping others though He alone has created you.” I asked, “What is next?” He said, “To kill your child lest it should share your food.” I asked, “What is next?” He said, “To commit illegal sexual intercourse with the wife of your neighbor.” (This flows from 4:48) You see it becomes easy understanding Koran and Islam when we get the terms and philosophy up right. Here it tells disbelief in Islam is the worst crime in the eyes of Allah.
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.” (There are more of this and the above ahadith)
Volume 4, Book 52, Number 79:
Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas:
On the day of the Conquest (of Mecca) the Prophet said, “There is no emigration after the Conquest but Jihad and intentions. When you are called (by the Muslim ruler) for fighting, go forth immediately.”
Hello everybody,
Please read from the below links.
http://hinduexistence.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/muslim-boys-attack-hindu-girls-at-barrackpore-sports-center-in-west-bengal/
http://pakistanhindupost.blogspot.com/2010/04/hindu-dalits-demand-their-rights-in.html
In fact Hindus in Pakistan have been simply exterminated. In Bangladesh it is going at great pace. Just imagine, from more than 24% of population it (population of Hindus) has dropped to
mere 9% or 10% in Bangladesh. Today population of Hindus in Pakistan is about less than 2%. These atrocities on Hindu women are not new, they have been happening for long time in Pakistan. In fact similar is the case with Christians in Egypt.
In fact in all Islamic countries the population of religious minorities is dropping like a rock. After all each and every Islamic country is declared Islamic republic or has Islam as official religion.
In fact Islamic doctrines are so full of hate towards other religions that Christians, Hindus and Buddhists suffer terrible persecution and discrimination at the hands extremists and official machinery. But no body raises any question on these, after all Muslims are always victims.
It is quite surprising that when Muslims are in minority, they demand equal rights and end to their perceived discrimination and freedom to propagate their religion and convert others to their fold and even demand that state has laws for them like Sharia law. But they actively deny even basic human rights other religions when Muslims are in majority.
Another aspect of totalitarianism is this, Koran allows Muslim men to marry non Muslim women and but it simply says no to Muslim women marrying non Muslim men. Just like others can convert to Islam but Muslims can not convert to other religion.
Why all this? Because Islam assumes the complete truth to it self, it and its followers believe Islam is the only truth and others are false. That is precisely Islam is totalitarian and supremacist. It can not co-exist with other cultures and religions.
You just have to understand what political Islam is. You can only ignore this at the risk of your future and your children’s future.
@Sri,you can talk,I don’t moderate comments i receive,but better be polie rather than shouting.
I mentioned earlier about this verse 9:29 in Koran and its rulings. Muslims say this verse is defensive in nature. Well let’s see.
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
It is literally telling Muslims to fight people who are not Muslims. Till when they should fight? Those non Muslims should be fought until they agreed to pay jizya tax and feel them selves subdued. Actually here it refers to Christians and Jews.
What is so defensive here? If one is defending, success of defense or defeat of aggressor is the objective. It is the end of fighting. But here the objective is to make certain people pay a tax just because they are not Muslims. And this is not the end. Muslims have to make those non Muslims feel subdued, means humiliated. How does one interpret this phrase ‘feel subdued’? It has wide range of meanings. It could be one step below death or one step below equality.
You might be thinking I am lying. Then we should find out about what Islamic books say on this verse, that is the way Muslim scholars understood this and the way their ruler applied it on non Muslims.
Best way to understand Koran is to read
a tafsir (exegesis) by a Muslim scholar. There are many tafsirs written since the dawn of Islam. Here I will present what tasfir by Ibn Kathir says on this verse. Ibn Kathir’s tafsir is highly authoritative and authentic. He lived in Syria from 1301 to 1373AD.
You can check for your self from the website http://www.tafsir.com. or just click on following links to read about this verse.
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20980
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20986
Here I just present some excerpts from there.
…This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah’s religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims’ control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination….
The sentences in verse are in brackets and their meanings follow.
(until they pay the Jizyah) means if they do not choose to embrace Islam,
(with willing submission), in defeat and subservience,
(and feel themselves subdued.), disgraced, humiliated and belittled. Therefore, Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated.
These are the exact words.
In the next post I will present how Muslim rulers applied this on non Muslims.
When second calipha of Muslims Umar conquered regions inhabited by Christians in Syria, Asia Minor and North Africa, he made Christians and Jews to sign this pact famously called pact of Umar. This pact is worth knowing because it became a foundation for sharia law in dealing with non Muslims or treatment of non Muslims.
Lets read some more from from Ibn Kathir’s tafsir: Prophet him self said “Do not initiate the Salam to the Jews and Christians, and if you meet any of them in a road, force them to its narrowest alley.” This is why the Leader of the faithful `Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace.
According to this pact,Christians will not:
1. Build “a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk”;
2. “Restore any place of worship that needs restoration”;
3. Use such places “for the purpose of enmity against Muslims”;
4. “Allow a spy against Muslims into our churches and homes or hide deceit [or betrayal] against Muslims”;
5. Imitate the Muslims’ “clothing, caps, turbans, sandals, hairstyles, speech, nicknames and title names”;
6. “Ride on saddles, hang swords on the shoulders, collect weapons of any kind or carry these weapons”;
7. “Encrypt our stamps in Arabic”
8. “Sell liquor” – Christians in Iraq in the last few years ran afoul of Muslims reasserting this rule;
9. “Teach our children the Qur’an”;
10. “Publicize practices of Shirk” – that is, associating partners with Allah, such as regarding Jesus as Son of God. In other words, Christian and other non-Muslim religious practice will be private, if not downright furtive;
11. Build “crosses on the outside of our churches and demonstrating them and our books in public in Muslim fairways and markets” – again, Christian worship must not be public, where Muslims can see it and become annoyed;
12. “Sound the bells in our churches, except discreetly, or raise our voices while reciting our holy books inside our churches in the presence of Muslims, nor raise our voices [with prayer] at our funerals, or light torches in funeral processions in the fairways of Muslims, or their markets”;
13. “Bury our dead next to Muslim dead”;
14. “Buy servants who were captured by Muslims”;
15. “Invite anyone to Shirk” – that is, proselytize, although the Christians also agree not to:
16. “Prevent any of our fellows from embracing Islam, if they choose to do so.” Thus the Christians can be the objects of proselytizing, but must not engage in it themselves;
17. “Beat any Muslim.”
And the christinas will:
1. Allow Muslims to rest “in our churches whether they come by day or night”;
2. “Open the doors [of our houses of worship] for the wayfarer and passerby”;
3. Provide board and food for “those Muslims who come as guests” for three days;
4. “Respect Muslims, move from the places we sit in if they choose to sit in them”;
5. “Have the front of our hair cut, wear our customary clothes wherever we are, wear belts around our waist” – these are so that a Muslim recognizes a non-Muslim as such and doesn’t make the mistake of greeting him with As-salaamu aleikum, “Peace be upon you,” which is the Muslim greeting for a fellow Muslim;
6. “Be guides for Muslims and refrain from breaching their privacy in their homes.”
And the Christians were made to swore: “If we break any of these promises that we set for your benefit against ourselves, then our Dhimmah (promise of protection) is broken and you are allowed to do with us what you are allowed of people of defiance and rebellion.”
Now if you want to know how Hindus are to be treated just substitute the words ‘Christian’ with ‘Hindu’ and ‘churches’ with ‘temples’. Then again this depends on lot many things. We all know Hindus paid jizya under Islamic rule. But our history texts say this but do not tell that it is required under the supremacist doctrine of Islam.
Now let’s see what another Muslim scholar says on this. His name is Maududi, founder of Jamaat Islaami in the sub continent.
To read his view go to this link:
http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=9&verse=25&to=29
I will only write certain parts.
“The reason why Jihad should be waged against them is drat they did not adopt the Law sent down by Allah through His Messenger.”
“This is the aim of Jihad with the Jews and the Christians and it is not to force them to become Muslims and adopt the `Islamic Way of Life.’ They should be forced to pay Jizyah in order to put an end to their independence and supremacy so that they should not remain rulers and sovereigns in the land. These powers should be wrested from them by the followers of the true Faith, who should assume the sovereignty and lead others towards the Right Way, while they should become their subjects and pay jizyah. jizyah is paid by those non-Muslims who live as Zimmis (proteges) in an Islamic State, in exchange for the security and protection granted to them by it.”
Maududi calls this as humane law and says Muslims should be proud of it rather being apologetic, as if they ever been.
“That is why the Islamic State offers them protection, if they agree to live as its Zimmis by paying jizyah, but it cannot allow that they should remain supreme rulers in any place and establish wrong ways and impose them on others. As this state of things inevitably produces chaos and disorder, it is the duty of the true Muslims to exert their utmost to bring to an end their wicked rule and bring them under a righteous order.”
Now if you have any doubt what Jihad is after reading this, only God can save you.
Hey one more thing, all I did is to present what Muslims say about this verse 9:29. Now we must ask our selves why our media calls some Islamic organizations as secular and humane.
In fact you should read Maududi’s view on Jihad, I am sure you will go crazy.
Now you must be wondering why all these? For this you have to understand that Islam considers it self as sole truth and every other system or belief is false and only leads to chaos, it simply does not recognize others.In Koran it is clearly mentioned that non Muslims are helpers of Satan, a rebel against Allah. In essence non Muslims are aggressors just by virtue of faith and life that they have. That is precisely Koran says in verse 2:217 that disbelief in Allah is worse than killing.
Most of the things from umar pact were put in to sharia law. And in sharia law Muslim can be punished by death for killing a Muslim, but he can not be punished by death if he kills a non Muslim. A non Muslim can not even testify against a Muslim in a Islamic court. Why? A infidel in the eyes of Allah is like cattle or worse than cattle, for cattle some times obeys masters command , gives milk on being fed in gratitude, but infidel is disobeying his master Allah all the time and is not showing any gratitude to his master by offering him prayers or by obeying his law.
Now if you want to know how Hindus are to be treated just substitute the words ‘Christian’ with ‘Hindu’ and ‘churches’ with ‘temples’. Then again this depends on lot many things. We all know Hindus paid jizya under Islamic rule. But our history texts say this but do not tell that it is required under the supremacist doctrine of Islam.